Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 18 Jul 2008 05:37 On Jul 17, 10:16 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 16, 7:23 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Jul 17, 12:02 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 15, 12:57 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > On Jul 15, 3:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 14, 8:30�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:66e61aa9-559f-4671-a2ea-6bc1905bebe9(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Jul 13, 6:28?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:fc9d57b1-a5d8-4dea-b10c-2de186d77c39(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:43?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:43c4adf8-d379-4a72-815c-bc35c1c84eaf(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > > > > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality... > > > > > > > > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > > > > > > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists. > > > > > > > > > > =================================== > > > > > > > > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > > > > > > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > > > > > > > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > > > > > > > > ================================ > > > > > > > > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and > > > > > > > > > London. > > > > > > > > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > > > If you want to believe that the Bible is fiction, it seems to me that > > > > > > > > you are free to believe that the Bible is fiction. ?I will tell you > > > > > > > > what. ?Why don't you decide for yourself what you believe, and I will > > > > > > > > decide for myself what I believe? ?Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > > > > > > > Not unfair if you keep your stupid beliefs out of a.a. > > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the > > > > > > > header. > > > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > > > That won't stop your stupid comments from appearing in a.a., will it. > > > > > > > You take a.a. out of your header. > > > > > > > Think about it, Smiler. �I am not going to go to alt.atheism. �I have > > > > > > no interest in atheists. > > > > > > ============================ > > > > > > Then why do your lying posts appear in a.a., LIAR? > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Because you have not yet taken sci.physics and sci.physics relativity > > > > > out of the header. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > To remove your posts from alt.atheism, you would need to take a.a out > > > > of your headers. Us changing ours isn't going to change yours. > > > > Are you going to stop lying soon? > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, you atheists were the ones who barged into sci.physics and > > > sci.physics.relativity. As I said before, I do not go to > > > alt.atheism. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Wrong. Mitch the two time Boggo award winning idiot started the cross > > posting, if I remember correctly. I place him in your camp. Then you > > waded into that discussion that was already cross-posted, while it was > > discussing biblical accuracy based on sales figures. It had nothing > > to do with physics, even though Mitch, the semi-christian idiot > > somehow thought it did. > > And no-one "goes to" a newsgroup. But by replying to messages in this > > topic with the alt.atheism tags still intact, you are posting to > > alt.atheism, which is then read by (surprise surprise) atheists. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > No, since you were in sci.physics.relativity, I posted equations for > relativity, which atheists did not want to discuss. > Robert B. Winn Subject started with; http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/tree/browse_frm/thread/d932fee6d9806ab9/03eb563f1e75fafe?hl=en&rnum=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.atheism%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fd932fee6d9806ab9%2F3122bd5e51f98b6d%3Fhl%3Den%26tvc%3D1%26#doc_03eb563f1e75fafe Your first entry; http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/tree/browse_frm/thread/d932fee6d9806ab9/ad98f22aba825a0a?rnum=201&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.atheism%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fd932fee6d9806ab9%2F3122bd5e51f98b6d%3F#doc_3bdffc681709fc9c When are you going to stop lying? Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 18 Jul 2008 05:39 On Jul 17, 10:20 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 16, 7:42 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Jul 17, 5:37 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 15, 11:45�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:08:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >If you are not posting in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity, then > > > > >I will never see your posts. > > > > > And neither will anyone else who is getting these fascinating > > > > exchanges through the physics ngs. Why should he stop communicating > > > > with the rest of them because _you_ don't want to read them? > > > > > Linda ff > > > > Well, for one thing, discussions of atheism are off topic in science > > > newsgroups. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > But not in atheism newsgroups. Which is what a lot of us are > > reading. So, we're all perfectly on topic. Why don't you stop then? > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > I will keep posting in sci.physics relativity where Einstein's theory > of relativity is on topic. > Robert B. Winn But yet you keep posting to alt.atheism about stupid god things. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 18 Jul 2008 05:41 On Jul 17, 10:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 17, 3:37�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:30:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > wrote: > > > >> >Well, choose for yourself what you like or dislike. ?It means nothing > > >> >to me. ?If you or any other atheist decides to discuss the tunnel, > > >> >come back and do it some time without trying to change the subject to > > >> >Harry Potter. > > > >> Making a comparison between two pieces of literature is hardly > > >> changing the subject. > > > >So you think the Bible is like a Harry Potter book. �What is the point > > >of discussing it further with you then? > > > Does this mean you're going to stop posting in alt.atheism? > > I think it means that you are going to stop posting to sci.physics and > sci.physics.relativity. > Robert B. Winn As soon as you stop posting lies to alt.atheism. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 18 Jul 2008 05:44 On Jul 17, 10:45 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 17, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jul 16, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jul 16, 6:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>>>>>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Potter. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have > > >>>>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. > > >>>>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible > > >>>>>>>>>> Sheep exist today > > >>>>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>> Steve O > > >>>>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that > > >>>>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > > >>>>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had > > >>>>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they > > >>>>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be > > >>>>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go > > >>>>>>>>> to wizard's school. > > >>>>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does not > > >>>>>>>> prove anything. > > >>>>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > > >>>>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > > >>>>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > > >>>>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > > >>>>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > > >>>>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. > > >>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > > >>>>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of > > >>>>>>> King's Cross Station. > > >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings > > >>>>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to > > >>>>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. > > >>>> ....I see. So, since the Harry Potter books do not detail the > > >>>> construction of King's Cross Station, it's not a correct analogy? > > >>>> Okay, fine. In one of the Harry Potter books, the head of the Ministry > > >>>> of Magic visits the new Prime Minister of England and informs him of the > > >>>> fight against the Dark Lord. > > >>>> Since this Harry Potter book describes the Prime Minister of England at > > >>>> the time that he got into office and, since it coincided with Tony Blair > > >>>> getting into office, that means that Harry Potter is true? > > >>>> -- > > >>>> ****************************************************** > > >>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > > >>> Well, if you want to believe in Harry Potter, I am sure you will find > > >>> a way to do it. > > >> No, see, that's what you're NOT getting. I don't believe in Harry > > >> Potter. Harry Potter is fantasy. It's not real. And the events > > >> therein have just as much evidence as the Bible has. > > > >> That is: None. > > > If atheists think something is fantasy, why is fantasy all they want > > > to discuss? > > > You're the one that brought fantasy into the discussion. > > > -- > > Well, no, that is incorrect. I was discussing the theory of > relativity and Hezekiah's tunnel. Atheists always try to change the > subject to Harry Potter. > Robert B. Winn No, you wanted to discuss the commercial success of the bible. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 18 Jul 2008 05:45
On Jul 17, 11:11 pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in messagenews:a4ff8bef-575b-4700-971e-624283f3ce61(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of love, who in > fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history. > > ====== > > I guess it depends on your definition of "love". > If you include the obsessive-compulsive stalking sadistic bunny-boiling kind > of love, Christians are right on track .... rofl Al |