Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 18 Jul 2008 13:40 On Jul 18, 5:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 17, 8:00 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 17, 11:30 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jul 16, 1:38�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Well, the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel was very remarkable. �But > >>>>>>> atheists do not like seeing remards about it. �Why is that? > >>>>>> I have nothing against the tunnel. No, what I dislike is your butchery > >>>>>> of logic.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> Well, choose for yourself what you like or dislike. �It means nothing > >>>>> to me. �If you or any other atheist decides to discuss the tunnel, > >>>>> come back and do it some time without trying to change the subject to > >>>>> Harry Potter. > >>>> Making a comparison between two pieces of literature is hardly > >>>> changing the subject. > >>> So you think the Bible is like a Harry Potter book.  What is the point > >>> of discussing it further with you then? > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> The Harry Potter book is another bible story book...and you fail to > >> recognize this fact simply because of your mental problem. > >> Now, I have pointed this out and you should be clear about it. > > >> I have actually thought that you should check out this fact with your > >> doctor, but since you distrust those psychiatrist, may be you should > >> then seek second opinion from scientist/atheists. However, since your > >> brain frequency is not in line with scientist/atheists, may be the > >> final choice would be the theist. > >> One advise, if one theist were to play a trick on you by confirming > >> Harry Potter the same as Bible, your state of mind may get such a > >> shock that the hospital would have to lock you up forever.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > I think that what you just wrote will one day be canonized as > > atheistic scripture. > > There's no such thing as "atheistic scripture". > > -- > ****************************************************** > *      DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226       * > *-------------------------------------------------- So what about the writings of Albert Einstein? Don't you consider them to be scripture? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 18 Jul 2008 13:41 On Jul 18, 6:21 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 18, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 17, 12:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 16, 1:38�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Well, the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel was very remarkable.. �But > >>>>>>>>> atheists do not like seeing remards about it. �Why is that? > >>>>>>>> I have nothing against the tunnel. No, what I dislike is your butchery > >>>>>>>> of logic.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Well, choose for yourself what you like or dislike. �It means nothing > >>>>>>> to me. �If you or any other atheist decides to discuss the tunnel, > >>>>>>> come back and do it some time without trying to change the subject to > >>>>>>> Harry Potter. > >>>>>> Making a comparison between two pieces of literature is hardly > >>>>>> changing the subject. > >>>>> So you think the Bible is like a Harry Potter book.  What is the point > >>>>> of discussing it further with you then? > >>>> Can you not defend your beliefs? If the Bible is anything like you say > >>>> it is, there shouldn't be so much far removed from reality in there. > >>>> Flying broomsticks are more believable than a global flood.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, I am sure that flying broomsticks are believable to atheists, > >>> but that is irrelevant.  The subject was the Bible, not sorcery or > >>> flying broomsticks.  Atheists always want to change the subject to > >>> Harry Potter in any discussion. > >> It seems about as plausible. Now, about that flood?- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, flooding does seem possible.  Ask some of the people in Cedar > > Rapids if they believe floods are possible. > > No, BT wasn't talking about floods, he was talking about "that flood". > You know, the global one. > > -- > ****************************************************** > *      DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226       * I was not there. You might want to talk to Noah after the resurrection. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 18 Jul 2008 13:44 On Jul 18, 6:21 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 18, 12:29�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> Smiler wrote: > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>news:ad020ec9-a457-4dae-818d-182301ce08ba(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.... > >>> On Jul 16, 12:01 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 14, 11:29 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:01?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Only an atheist would want all choices made for > >>>>>>>>> them. > >>>>>>>> Now there was me thinking that that was the mark of a worshipper.. It > >>>>>>>> seems to me that atheists make their own choices, because they don't > >>>>>>>> have decisions ready-dictated to them. > >>>>>>> So you think it is a mistake to decide ahead of time not to commit > >>>>>>> murder, not to steal, to attend church, not to commit adultery, etc. > >>>>>> Why would you be so morally deficient so as to need to perform morning > >>>>>> affirmations in order not to kill people? > >>>>>> My moral decisions are made as the occasion demands it. Seems to work > >>>>>> okay. > >>>>> So are you saying that for each person you encounter, you make a > >>>>> decision to kill or not to kill? > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> No, I'm saying exactly the opposite. I need not make that decision at > >>>> all, because I'm not filled with murderous rage. > >>>> As moral decisions need to be made, I make them according to my own > >>>> values.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> So you would only decide to kill someone if you were filled with > >>> murderous rage. �A lot of serial killers seem to be the same way. > >>> ==================================== > >>> Most of whom are 'beleivers' in one god or another. > >> We've got one on trial over here at the moment. He shot a guy, then > >> tried to decapitate two women with a katana. Apparently God told him to > >> do it. Hopefully the jury disagrees.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Almost every murderer today says that because they know the atheistic > > court system will reward them for saying it. > > Cite? > > -- > ****************************************************** > *      DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226       * > *----------------------------------------------------* > * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * > *  wants them to do because I notice it always    * > *  coincides with their own desires."         * > *                 --Susan B. Anthony * > ******************************************************- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Cite? If you do not believe that criminals are not being rewarded for claiming that God told them to commit crimes, go ahead and believe what you want to believe. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 18 Jul 2008 13:58 On Jul 18, 8:44�am, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > I am doing it seriously. �What matters are the equations, not the > > > money. > > > Well okay, when you're published, let us know! > > You know, I've been reading Bobby's ardent defense of his "equations" > year after year. It really is quite bizarre. > > This week's podcast of This American Life contains a segment which is > eerily similar. A man, high school educated, working as an electrician, > with no physics education concluded that "E = mc squared" was false. He > quit his job and spent a year working on his theory, believing with > every fiber of his being that he had found a mistake which every > physicist (including Einstein) had missed. > > Of course, it turned out the guy was completely off base, making > mistakes a first year physics student wouldn't. But when that was > pointed out to him (for example, that the units in his calculations > don't match), he of course refused to believe it, claiming instead that > the physics "elite" were just out to get him. It really was sadly > comical. > > One of the interesting bits that came out of the story is just how many > crackpots like this guy are out there. Apparently it has been observed > often enough that physicists have numerous stories of encounters with > these nutcases, and they always follow the same pattern. They believe > they have discovered something everyone else missed, and they completely > block out any rebuttal or debunking of their argument. One professor > commented that such behavior is usually associated with schizophrenia. > > Bobby follows this exact same pattern. > > And of course, schizophrenia has also long been associated with > pathological religious beliefs, so in Bobby's case, we have a > "twofer"... Well, the thing to do then, it seems to me, would be to show the dispproof of these equations. No physicist has done it. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t w=velocity of light x=wt x'=wn' wn'=wt-vt n'=t(1-v/w) n' is time on a cesium clock in a moving frame of reference, t is time on a cesium clock in a frame of reference at rest. So just go ahead and show your proof , and all of the scientists and atheists can see for themselves. Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 18 Jul 2008 14:12
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:8a2fc30f-eb34-4431-8d4a-40d088062942(a)l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com... The prophecy is that almost all people will be at war in the last days. ============ .... meaning it's typical of prophecies in general: vague to the point of uselessness. Warfare is the natural state of interaction between human groups -- it is peace which is aberrant and exceptional. IOW, your prophecy can be applied to any cherry-picked period in time that you find convenient. |