Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Alex W. on 18 Jul 2008 14:14 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:7b71933b-7f0f-4569-9b23-5906e6583f1e(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed. ======== .... changed into annoyed, exasperated atheists who would applaud wildly if a passing deity were to smite you for being an embarrassment to creation.
From: Steve O on 18 Jul 2008 17:44 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:1e64c2c8-43f1-426f-a7d2-56a68fc05742(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 7:44 am, Jon Green <jo...(a)deadspam.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jul 17, 5:24�am, Jon Green <jo...(a)deadspam.com> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> No, since you were in sci.physics.relativity, I posted equations for >> >>> relativity, which atheists did not want to discuss. >> >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> Why would they want to? �Perhaps we (from cam.misc) ought to post >> >> random >> >> stuff about Cambridge (UK), in the hope that physicists would want to >> >> comment. �It's about as relevant. >> >> >> Blame the brain donor who cross-posted this selection of groups, not >> >> their members. >> >> > Well, since you do not want to discuss relativity, why are you posting >> > to sci.physics.relativity? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> I'm only pitching in to make a point, not to perpetuate a thread that's >> long past its use-by date. >> >> And you're seeing my post because (1) I wanted to make my point to you >> specifically, and (2) because the damn thread is cross-posted to all >> four newsgroups. >> >> If you don't want the traffic anywhere but s.p.r, remove all but that >> newsgroup from your responses, and the thread will fade away, because >> the a.a people won't see your comments any more, and won't feel the need >> to respond. Or simply don't respond to anyone who's clearly posting >> from a.a. But that would spoil your "fun", wouldn't it? >> >> Most of the reason why the thread won't die is that a certain Robert >> Winn has "contributed" about 560 messages to it so far, and won't stop >> doing so, and won't remove any newsgroups from his replies. >> >> Physician, heal thyself. (Luke 4:23, in case you wondered.) >> >> Jon > > I am not the one complaining about it. I do not really care. I was > just pointing out to atheists that they have the means of making > certain that they never see any posts from me. All they have to do is > remove sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity out of the header. So > far, none have done it. > Robert B. Winn How would you know? D'uh!! -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Steve O on 18 Jul 2008 17:46 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:f2b0bce9-bf0b-49e3-ba87-207059add46d(a)f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 12:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter has >> >>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned >> >>>>>>>>>>> in Harry >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter. >> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, >> >>>>>>>>>> the fact >> >>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since >> >>>>>>>>>> we have >> >>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >> >>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. >> >>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it >> >>>>>>>>> is. >> >>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >> >>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >> >>>>>>>> Sheep exist today >> >>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> Steve O >> >>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming >> >>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the >> >>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists >> >>>>>>> had >> >>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to >> >>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London >> >>>>>>> to go >> >>>>>>> to wizard's school. >> >>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does >> >>>>>> not >> >>>>>> prove anything. >> >>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's >> >>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel >> >>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says >> >>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. >> >>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. >> >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >> >>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> King's Cross Station. >> >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >> >>>> -- >> >>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings >> >>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it >> >>> to >> >>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. >> >> Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff >> >> up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in >> >> the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide >> >> > I don't believe it because it includes a real place. I believe it >> > because it is true. >> >> Why have you been unable to demonstrate it's truth to us? We've been >> asking for confirming evidence, where is it?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, for instance, I used the example of Hezekiah's tunnel which > proves the veracity of certain Old Testament verses which describe the > construction of the tunnel. No, say atheists, we do not accept that > as evidence of anything. This shows that atheists will say the same > thing with regard to any evidence. If they will not accept something > that can be seen and even walked through, then it shows that their > minds are closed, their opinions are already dictated to them, and any > evidence shown to them will receive the same reaction. > Robert B. Winn What are you talking about? We accepted your evidence that a tunnel exists. We accepted your evidence that there is a tunnel mentioned in the bible. How does that make us close minded? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: Smiler on 17 Jul 2008 21:14 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6ea404F63ha8U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "The Loan Arranger" <noone(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote in message > news:5d-dnbl8Ndd98eLVRVnyvgA(a)bt.com... >> Smiler wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. >>> ================================ >>> All the writers were Roman citizens. >> >> I'm sorry to say, Smiler, Robbie's probably right for once. Roman >> Citizenship was distinct from being a citizen of a country under Roman >> jurisdiction, and was very hard to earn. >> >> What I'm unsure about is whether he was a full Roman Citizen, or whether >> he held the Latin Right, which was a kind of halfway-house between >> non-citizenship and being a full Citizen. Ordinary people in a subjugated >> country probably wouldn't really appreciate the difference, or could be >> blinded to it. It wasn't uncommon for LR holders to claim to their peers >> to be RCs, to enhance their standing, but they definitely wouldn't try >> that to an official, at least not if they valued their life or position. > > http://www.jgames.co.uk/title/Roman_citizenship > > Luke may or may not have been a Roman citizen; there is even speculation > that he had been a slave, in which case he certainly would not have been a > full citizen. > > Being natives of Palestine, it seems unlikely that Mark or Matthew had > been full citizens. > Mark, Matthew, Luke and John were not the writers of the gospels attributed to them. The gospels were written long after the supposed disciples would have been dead. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 17 Jul 2008 21:16
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:4880b847-2b32-4f66-b0f7-d8685c14baea(a)m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 16, 9:37?am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:28be0ed1-17c0-4089-8117-c9b9f0392293(a)f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 15, 4:30 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > > > > > Steve O wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225(a)d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > >> On Jul 14, 5:12?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > > >>> >> > Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry > > >>> Potter >> > has > > >>> >> > to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in > > >>> Harry > > >>> >> > Potter. > > > >>> >> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, > > >>> >> the > > >>> >> fact > > >>> >> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we > > >>> >> have > > >>> >> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. > > > >>> >> By your reasoning at least. > > > >>> > Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. > > >>> > Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. > > >>> > Robert B. Winn > > > >>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. > > > >>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible > > >>> Sheep exist today > > >>> The bible is accurate and there is a God > > > >>> -- > > >>> Steve O > > >> Well, no, Steve O. ?Here is an example. ?Atheists were claiming that > > >> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > > >> Bible. ?So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? ?These atheists had > > >> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. ?So after they looked it up, they > > >> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be > > >> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go > > >> to wizard's school. > > > > Here's where you get confused every time. (or deliberately lie) > > > When they said "nothing exists on earth today that could prove > > > anything > > > in the bible" they were talking about the SPECIAL claims in the bible, > > > not the ordinary mundane things such as tunnels, sheep, goats or > > > shekels. > > > Yet, for some reason, you choose to lie about this and attribute > > > claims > > > to atheists which ?don't exist. > > > You are either a complete liar or you are stuck on stupid. > > > Both. > > Its fairly clear our robbo is probably schizoid, probably desperately > > confused, and probably on medication, and has access to a terminal.And > > is not the brightest candle in the coal mine. > > > He's desperately trying to put some meaning in his life, to make some > > sense of it, and the Bible is his latest bag. ?It probably puts some > > hope in a hopeless life. > > > He's just smart enough to see what a mess his life is, but not smart > > enough to work out how to change it by himself: so naturally he looks > > for help. No one has probably given him any, but the bible makes him a > > promise. By fixating on the Jesus symbol, he at least has one constant > > thing to cling to and some hope. In short, he is addicted to Jesus. > > > It's probably slightly better than being addicted to smack, and its > > certainly a lot cheaper. > > > I've met more than a few robbos in my time. There's probably some > > intelligence there, but coupled to an unusual mental condition. Such > > peoples experience is not ordinary, and their attempts to make sense of > > it result in some pretty weird ways of thinking about it and dealing > > with it. Often they get involved in some cult or other. Or end up > > prematurely dead from drug overdoses and the like. Or go off the rails > > and start seeing visions and end up in the funny farm. > > Probably very true of rbwinn. > When he told us that he is a welder, I actually wrote some real advise > for him to work hard and look forward towards a retirement, instead of > wasting time in the church on Sundays. Sundays pay thrice as much. > However, my email could not get through... > ==================================== > Does anything ever 'get through' to him? > I very much doubt it. > I do not plan to retire. What did you think, that I want to be useless like an atheist? ======================== QED Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |