Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Antares 531 on 18 Jul 2008 12:13 On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:44:42 -0700, ben_dolan_III(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: >rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> Well, flooding does seem possible. Ask some of the people in Cedar >> Rapids if they believe floods are possible. > >That's adorable! The child is using "analogy" to try to prove the >Biblical flood really happened! That's just so damned cute! > From many sources I've read over the years, there actually was a humongous flooding of what is now the Mediterranean basin, after the last ice age ended and this current interglacial warming got under way. The Atlantic Ocean raised to the level that overflowed what is now the Strait of Gibraltar. The Gibraltar dam washed out quickly and the ocean rushed in. Many old archeological ruins, now under water, are still available for study. I would speculate that the Noachian Flood was based upon the legends that had their roots in this Mediterranean Basin flooding. After all, that WAS the entire world to those people. But, in any case, the Noachian Flood should be regarded as a parable and the embedded meaning sorted out, separate from the literal story. Gordon
From: G=EMC^2 Glazier on 18 Jul 2008 12:40 I would rather be an atheist than a brain washed person who has a mind that has to obey the hocus pocus of Gods Atheists go to that crazy house called hell,and the good bible people that fear their Gods go to the crazy house called heaven Oh Ya Bert
From: rbwinn on 18 Jul 2008 13:13 On Jul 18, 2:37 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 17, 10:16 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 7:23 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Jul 17, 12:02 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 12:57 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 3:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 8:30�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:66e61aa9-559f-4671-a2ea-6bc1905bebe9(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 6:28?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:fc9d57b1-a5d8-4dea-b10c-2de186d77c39(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:43?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > >news:43c4adf8-d379-4a72-815c-bc35c1c84eaf(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality... > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > > > > > > > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists.. > > > > > > > > > > > =================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > > > > > > > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > > > > > > > > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > > > > > > > > > ================================ > > > > > > > > > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and > > > > > > > > > > London. > > > > > > > > > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > > > > If you want to believe that the Bible is fiction, it seems to me that > > > > > > > > > you are free to believe that the Bible is fiction. ?I will tell you > > > > > > > > > what. ?Why don't you decide for yourself what you believe, and I will > > > > > > > > > decide for myself what I believe? ?Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > > > > > > > > Not unfair if you keep your stupid beliefs out of a.a. > > > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the > > > > > > > > header. > > > > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > > > > That won't stop your stupid comments from appearing in a.a., will it. > > > > > > > > You take a.a. out of your header. > > > > > > > > Think about it, Smiler. �I am not going to go to alt.atheism. �I have > > > > > > > no interest in atheists. > > > > > > > ============================ > > > > > > > Then why do your lying posts appear in a.a., LIAR? > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Because you have not yet taken sci.physics and sci.physics relativity > > > > > > out of the header. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > To remove your posts from alt.atheism, you would need to take a.a out > > > > > of your headers.  Us changing ours isn't going to change yours. > > > > > Are you going to stop lying soon? > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, you atheists were the ones who barged into sci.physics and > > > > sci.physics.relativity.  As I said before, I do not go to > > > > alt.atheism. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Wrong.  Mitch the two time Boggo award winning idiot started the cross > > > posting, if I remember correctly.  I place him in your camp.  Then you > > > waded into that discussion that was already cross-posted, while it was > > > discussing biblical accuracy based on sales figures.  It had nothing > > > to do with physics, even though Mitch, the semi-christian idiot > > > somehow thought it did. > > > And no-one "goes to" a newsgroup.  But by replying to messages in this > > > topic with the alt.atheism tags still intact, you are posting to > > > alt.atheism, which is then read by (surprise surprise) atheists. > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > No, since you were in sci.physics.relativity, I posted equations for > > relativity, which atheists did not want to discuss. > > Robert B. Winn > > Subject started with;http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/tree/browse_frm/thread/d93... > Your first entry;http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/tree/browse_frm/thread/d93... > > When are you going to stop lying? > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: rbwinn on 18 Jul 2008 13:21 On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > >>>>>>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > >>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > >>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > >>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > >>>>>>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > >>>>>>>>> million people. > >>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > >>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > >>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > >>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > >>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > >>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > >>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > >>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > >>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > >>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > >>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > >>>>>>>> away from religion. > >>>>>>>> TLA > >>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > >>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of > >>>>>> Hitler. > >>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > >>>>>>> with the German people.  His actions in his life show that he did not > >>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > >>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who > >>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've > >>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and > >>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this > >>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. > >>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate > >>>>>> your humanity. > >>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it.  Stalin and Pol Pot were > >>>>> both atheists.  > >>>> They were also both men.  So what? > >>>>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people > >>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which > >>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. > >>>> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's > >>>> inauguration: Approximately 9 million > >>>> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian > >>>> What were you saying again? > >>>> -- > >>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the > >>> United States will be.  All major decisions are made by the atheistic > >>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of > >>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. > >> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: > >> Roberts: Roman Catholic > >> Stevens: Protestant > >> Scalia: Roman Catholic > >> Kennedy: Roman Catholic > >> Souter: Episcopalian > >> Thomas: Roman Catholic > >> Breyer: Jewish > >> Alito: Roman Catholic > >> Ginsburg: Jewish > > >> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of > >> America, the federal law of the land. > > >> What were you saying again? > > >> -- > > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision > > that did not promote atheism.  It does not matter if they all claim to > > be religious.  Actions speak louder than words. > > Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". > > -- > ****************************************************** > *      DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226       * > *----------------------------------------------------* > * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * > *  wants them to do because I notice it always    * > *  coincides with their own desires."         * > *                 --Susan B. Anthony * > ******************************************************- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Roe v. Wade Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 18 Jul 2008 13:37
On Jul 18, 5:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 17, 7:10 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 16, 10:20 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > >>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > >>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > >>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > >>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > >>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > >>>>> million people. > >>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > >>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > >>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > >>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > >>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > >>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > >>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > >>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > >>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > >>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > >>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > >>>> away from religion. > >>>> TLA > >>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > >>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > >>> with the German people.  His actions in his life show that he did not > >>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> You must be a hateful person, simply because of your lousy life. > >> Sin is always in your mind that had been brainwashed into your brain > >> cells...see the evil of your religion? > >> Human being, regardless of who they are, are born not with any > >> "sin"....sin is what is being planted into your head. > >> The term sin is a meaningless word which is beyond your ability to > >> comprehend. > >> The children are all born beautiful and innocent. They learn, they > >> grow and they contribute to this world...this is fundamental for > >> human. > >> The loons are different....they are born with sin and always need to > >> ask for forgiveness, then commit sin again, then ask...a cycle and > >> finally depart to serve their god, never contribute to this world. Yet > >> they are as human as all others.\ > > >> Think deeply, if your brain cells can still function.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, you left out the children who are killed before they are born by > > abortion. > > There are no children before birth. > > -- > ****************************************************** > *      DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226       * Well we are using words as they were used before atheists claimed to have changed the meanings. Here is why you want to get rid of the Bible. It shows the real meaning of the word child. Luke 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, unto the city ofDavid, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of thehouse and lineage of David:) 5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. Robert B. Winn |