Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: DanielSan on 20 Jul 2008 13:00 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not >>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >> > > Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well > documented. And what's that got to do with atheism? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Alex W. on 20 Jul 2008 12:59 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:85ce5d7c-67c2-4090-8fd1-14d9b48f203d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... There are only two commandments in the Law of Christ: Love the Lord thy God, Love thy neighbor as thyself. ======== Sorry, but I draw the line at giving my neighbour hand jobs. (as he will no doubt be relieved to hear).
From: Steve O on 20 Jul 2008 13:08 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:c19d6f13-a331-4005-a158-46dcfecdec37(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 20, 6:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:43:08 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Most of whom are 'beleivers' in one god or another. >> >> >>> We've got one on trial over here at the moment. He shot a guy, >> >> >>> then >> >> >>> tried to decapitate two women with a katana. Apparently God told >> >> >>> him to >> >> >>> do it. Hopefully the jury disagrees.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> Almost every murderer today says that because they know the >> >> >> atheistic >> >> >> court system will reward them for saying it. >> >> >> ================================= >> >> >> >> Why would an "atheistic court system" reward someone who claimed to >> >> >> believe >> >> >> in gods, skippy? >> >> >> > Lawyers reward anyone who adds to their power and financial >> >> > security. >> >> >> You've got a whole "reward" thing going on at the moment, why is >> >> that?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >I do not have anything going at the present time. �Lawyers were the >> >people who started "plea bargaining" and did away with the right to >> >trial by jury. >> >> That's odd, because my boss was just on a jury trial last month. I >> guess that makes you a liar again, doesn't it?- Hide quoted text - >> > No, it does not. The right to trial by jury no longer exists. People > who commit crimes serious enough to be profitable to lawyers are given > the privilege of trial by jury. That means if you commit a murder, > you can have a lawyer and a trial by jury. If you are arrested on > misdemeanor charges by police who have decided to harrass you, you > cannot get a trial by jury even though the Constitution guarantees you > that right. > Robert B. Winn
From: Steve O on 20 Jul 2008 13:09 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:c19d6f13-a331-4005-a158-46dcfecdec37(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >I do not have anything going at the present time. �Lawyers were the >> >people who started "plea bargaining" and did away with the right to >> >trial by jury. >> >> That's odd, because my boss was just on a jury trial last month. I >> guess that makes you a liar again, doesn't it?- Hide quoted text - >> > No, it does not. The right to trial by jury no longer exists. People > who commit crimes serious enough to be profitable to lawyers are given > the privilege of trial by jury. That means if you commit a murder, > you can have a lawyer and a trial by jury. If you are arrested on > misdemeanor charges by police who have decided to harrass you, you > cannot get a trial by jury even though the Constitution guarantees you > that right. > Robert B. Winn I may be reading too much between the lines here, but why did the police "decide to harass you?" -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: rbwinn on 20 Jul 2008 13:21
On Jul 20, 9:53 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 19, 10:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 19, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:46�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:de6a2c3f-ab55-434c-aa04-d37ddd084d82(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>> On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a first > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > >>>>>>>>>>>> million people. > >>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > >>>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > >>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > >>>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > >>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > >>>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country > >>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > >>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > >>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is > >>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to > >>>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>> away from religion. > >>>>>>>>>>> TLA > >>>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > >>>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of > >>>>>>>>> Hitler. > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > >>>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not > >>>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > >>>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who > >>>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've > >>>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and > >>>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this > >>>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. > >>>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate > >>>>>>>>> your humanity. > >>>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were > >>>>>>>> both atheists. But politicians who killed large numbers of people > >>>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which > >>>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. > >>>>>>> Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way. > >>>>>>> Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is > >>>>>>> it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>> All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians. > >>>>>> ========================================== > >>>>>> There aren't any pro-abortion politicians. > >>>>>> Smiler, > >>>>>> The godless one > >>>>>> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> There aren't?  > >>>> No. > >>>>> What happened to them? > >>>> Nothing.  They just don't exist. > >>> Sort of like Hezekiah's tunnel? > >> No. > > > I think it is.  So you are saying that Barack Obama and Hillary > > Clinton do not exist? > > They're not pro-abortion. > So why do they say they are pro-abortion? Robert B. Winn |