Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 20 Jul 2008 11:59 On Jul 20, 6:43�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:30:13 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > Maybe some of the other atheists > >> > could tell you why they do it. > > >> Because they want to. > > >> -- > >> ****************************************************** > >> * � � � � �DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 � � � � � �* > >> *----------------------------------------------------* > >> * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * > >> * �wants them to do because I notice it always � � � * > >> * �coincides with their own desires." � � � � � � � �* > >> * � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � --Susan B. Anthony * > >> ******************************************************- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >I never started. �The only newsgroups I post to are sci.physics and > >sci.physics.relativity. > > Yet, here you are. You are posting twenty to thirty messages every > day, and yet claim you are not posting to alt.atheism. You won't > remove the newsgroup because you enjoy it so much. We are your opium, > and you are too stupid to realize it.- Hide quoted text - > Karl Marx said religion was your opium. I do not use drugs of any kind. That kind of accusation is only meaningful to people who use drugs. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 20 Jul 2008 12:52 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 19, 10:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 19, 10:11�pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:9445436b-52c9-44e7-8b37-1a8008c43c98(a)25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> counter-examples in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drawn to or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away from religion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLA >>>>>>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> Hitler. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of >>>>>>>>>>>>> today. >>>>>>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia >>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because >>>>>>>>>>>> they've >>>>>>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably >>>>>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to >>>>>>>>>>>> recalibrate >>>>>>>>>>>> your humanity. >>>>>>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot >>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>> both atheists. >>>>>>>>>> They were also both men. So what? >>>>>>>>>>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people >>>>>>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which >>>>>>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. >>>>>>>>>> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's >>>>>>>>>> inauguration: Approximately 9 million >>>>>>>>>> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian >>>>>>>>>> What were you saying again? >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the >>>>>>>>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic >>>>>>>>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of >>>>>>>>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. >>>>>>>> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: >>>>>>>> Roberts: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Stevens: Protestant >>>>>>>> Scalia: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Kennedy: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Souter: Episcopalian >>>>>>>> Thomas: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Breyer: Jewish >>>>>>>> Alito: Roman Catholic >>>>>>>> Ginsburg: Jewish >>>>>>>> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of >>>>>>>> America, the federal law of the land. >>>>>>>> What were you saying again? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision >>>>>>> that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to >>>>>>> be religious. Actions speak louder than words. >>>>>> Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". >>>> <piggybacking here to respond to Winn> >>>>> Roe v. Wade >>>> BZZT! �Roe v. Wade did not promote atheism. �Try again. >>> Roe v. Wade accomplished one of the primary goals of atheism, >> BZZT! There are no goals of atheism. Try again. >> >> -- > So you are saying that the atheistic rulers of China do not try to > control the population of China by limiting reproduction to one child > per couple? Has nothing to do with atheism. > Now we have the same kind of government here in the > United States in which the atheistic members of the Supreme Court BZZT! There are no atheistic members of the Supreme Court. Try again. > can > begin to limit reproduction in the United States. That is one reason > why atheists have begun to promote homosexuality. BZZT! Atheism has nothing to do with that. Try again. > They see it as a > means of limiting and controlling population. Um. No. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 20 Jul 2008 12:53 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 19, 10:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 19, 10:12 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:46�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:de6a2c3f-ab55-434c-aa04-d37ddd084d82(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a first >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. >>>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 >>>>>>>>>>>> million people. >>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will >>>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). >>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the >>>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. >>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who >>>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. >>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that >>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> away from religion. >>>>>>>>>>> TLA >>>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? >>>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of >>>>>>>>> Hitler. >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular >>>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not >>>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. >>>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who >>>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've >>>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and >>>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this >>>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. >>>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate >>>>>>>>> your humanity. >>>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were >>>>>>>> both atheists. But politicians who killed large numbers of people >>>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which >>>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. >>>>>>> Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way. >>>>>>> Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is >>>>>>> it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians. >>>>>> ========================================== >>>>>> There aren't any pro-abortion politicians. >>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>> The godless one >>>>>> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> There aren't? >>>> No. >>>>> What happened to them? >>>> Nothing. They just don't exist. >>> Sort of like Hezekiah's tunnel? >> No. >> > I think it is. So you are saying that Barack Obama and Hillary > Clinton do not exist? They're not pro-abortion. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Free Lunch on 20 Jul 2008 12:53 On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:59:38 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 20, 6:43?am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:30:13 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Maybe some of the other atheists >> >> > could tell you why they do it. >> >> >> Because they want to. >> >> >> -- >> >> ****************************************************** >> >> * ? ? ? ? ?DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 ? ? ? ? ? ?* >> >> *----------------------------------------------------* >> >> * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * >> >> * ?wants them to do because I notice it always ? ? ? * >> >> * ?coincides with their own desires." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?* >> >> * ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? --Susan B. Anthony * >> >> ******************************************************- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >I never started. ?The only newsgroups I post to are sci.physics and >> >sci.physics.relativity. >> >> Yet, here you are. You are posting twenty to thirty messages every >> day, and yet claim you are not posting to alt.atheism. You won't >> remove the newsgroup because you enjoy it so much. We are your opium, >> and you are too stupid to realize it.- Hide quoted text - >> >Karl Marx said religion was your opium. I do not use drugs of any >kind. That kind of accusation is only meaningful to people who use >drugs. You are amazing. You use religion to be your opium, but are so stoned by it that you do not recognize what you have done to yourself.
From: DanielSan on 20 Jul 2008 13:00
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 20, 6:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:43:08 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Most of whom are 'beleivers' in one god or another. >>>>>>> We've got one on trial over here at the moment. He shot a guy, then >>>>>>> tried to decapitate two women with a katana. Apparently God told him to >>>>>>> do it. Hopefully the jury disagrees.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> Almost every murderer today says that because they know the atheistic >>>>>> court system will reward them for saying it. >>>>>> ================================= >>>>>> Why would an "atheistic court system" reward someone who claimed to believe >>>>>> in gods, skippy? >>>>> Lawyers reward anyone who adds to their power and financial security. >>>> You've got a whole "reward" thing going on at the moment, why is that?- Hide quoted text - >>> I do not have anything going at the present time. �Lawyers were the >>> people who started "plea bargaining" and did away with the right to >>> trial by jury. >> That's odd, because my boss was just on a jury trial last month. I >> guess that makes you a liar again, doesn't it?- Hide quoted text - >> > No, it does not. The right to trial by jury no longer exists. Eh, wha? Article 3 of the United States Constitution was repealed? > People > who commit crimes serious enough to be profitable to lawyers are given > the privilege of trial by jury. That means if you commit a murder, > you can have a lawyer and a trial by jury. If you are arrested on > misdemeanor charges by police who have decided to harrass you, you > cannot get a trial by jury even though the Constitution guarantees you > that right. Um, no. You might want to look up the difference between criminal and civil charges... -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ****************************************************** |