Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: TT on 23 Jun 2008 11:19 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 22, 7:13 pm, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 22, 10:06 am, TT <t...(a)noburn.net> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:13:28 -0400, rbwinn wrote >>>> (in article >>>> <b632d03c-1575-41fa-8b21-2d50f3586...(a)f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>): >>>>> On Jun 21, 6:43 pm, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 4:37 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inability >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> us...otherwise..tough... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> �Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is right.� >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does >>>>>>>>>>>> something... >>>>>>>>>>> Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what >>>>>>>>>>> this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was >>>>>>>>>>> pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. >>>>>>>>>>> Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the >>>>>>>>>>> world. >>>>>>>>>> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your beliefs >>>>>>>>>> and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a ridiculous >>>>>>>>>> aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? >>>>>>>>> If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? >>>>>>>> Do we? What schools? What fresh hell is this?!- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Public schools. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> It carries the same weight in a science classroom as say, the stork >>>>>> theory, and the multitude of other religious fantasies about how present >>>>>> day humans came to be. It's main work is studied in literature classes, >>>>>> and in sociology classes, it's effect on believers and the societies >>>>>> they live in is reviewed. History classes abound with christian >>>>>> references(well..in the West,anyway...in the east, they could care >>>>>> less). You have no reason to complain...it gets far more respect than >>>>>> it deserves... >>>>> When I was in school, we had a Baptist preacher who taught grades 5 >>>>> through 8. He used to pray right in school. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> I'm truly sorry for you then...child abuse in the guise of education is a >>>> horrible thing. It explains a lot though...therapy is the first healing >>>> measure you can do for yourself...- Hide quoted text - >>> Well, I know all about therapy. When an atheist says therapy, they >>> mean thorazine or some other tranquilizer drug. >>> Robert B. Winn >> With that as your background...I'm sure you've heard a lot of >> diagnoses involving therapy....but Thorazine is mostly given these days >> for retractable hiccups...not sedation >> > Uh huh. Doctors are afraid to give thorazine now because of > lawsuits. They have other drugs just as bad. > Robert B. Winn As we all have suspected...you appear to have intimate knowledge of psychotropic pharmacology...unfortunately, you are living proof that little of it actually worked... -- �Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one it is right.� Martin Luther king Jr.
From: rbwinn on 23 Jun 2008 17:16 On Jun 23, 8:19 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 22, 7:13 pm, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 22, 10:06 am, TT <t...(a)noburn.net> wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:13:28 -0400, rbwinn wrote > >>>> (in article > >>>> <b632d03c-1575-41fa-8b21-2d50f3586...(a)f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>): > >>>>> On Jun 21, 6:43 pm, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 4:37 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else....and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inability > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> us...otherwise..tough... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is right. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does > >>>>>>>>>>>> something... > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what > >>>>>>>>>>> this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was > >>>>>>>>>>> pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. > >>>>>>>>>>> Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the > >>>>>>>>>>> world. > >>>>>>>>>> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your beliefs > >>>>>>>>>> and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a ridiculous > >>>>>>>>>> aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? > >>>>>>>>> If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? > >>>>>>>> Do we? What schools? What fresh hell is this?!- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Public schools. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> It carries the same weight in a science classroom as say, the stork > >>>>>> theory, and the multitude of other religious fantasies about how present > >>>>>> day humans came to be. It's main work is studied in literature classes, > >>>>>> and in sociology classes, it's effect on believers and the societies > >>>>>> they live in is reviewed. History classes abound with christian > >>>>>> references(well..in the West,anyway...in the east, they could care > >>>>>> less). You have no reason to complain...it gets far more respect than > >>>>>> it deserves... > >>>>> When I was in school, we had a Baptist preacher who taught grades 5 > >>>>> through 8. He used to pray right in school. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> I'm truly sorry for you then...child abuse in the guise of education is a > >>>> horrible thing. It explains a lot though...therapy is the first healing > >>>> measure you can do for yourself...- Hide quoted text - > >>> Well, I know all about therapy. When an atheist says therapy, they > >>> mean thorazine or some other tranquilizer drug. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> With that as your background...I'm sure you've heard a lot of > >> diagnoses involving therapy....but Thorazine is mostly given these days > >> for retractable hiccups...not sedation > > > Uh huh. Doctors are afraid to give thorazine now because of > > lawsuits. They have other drugs just as bad. > > Robert B. Winn > > As we all have suspected...you appear to have intimate knowledge of > psychotropic pharmacology...unfortunately, you are living proof that > little of it actually worked... > I know everything there is to know about psychotropic pharmacology. I was put in the psychiatric ward of a V.A. hospital when I returned from Vietnam. Robert B. Winn
From: Smiler on 23 Jun 2008 22:06 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6c9e3bF3fmhvtU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message > news:OlD7k.122914$9x.2844(a)newsfe05.ams2... >> >> "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:6c6rqqF3esk78U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> >>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>> news:485e3107$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>> >>> >>>> I bet it's always Christmas in Londonland, and all the women look like >>>> Angelina Jolie. >>> >>> I wish .... >>> >> >> Not the bit about always Christmas (All those annoying stupid carols and >> all that conspicuous consumption all year round!), but I'll go along with >> the second part ;-) > > Especially in summer. > English girls are NOT made for sunshine. We are a Drizzle People. Come > the summer, London parks are full of the sight of dumpy girls who insist > on displaying as much cellulite as possible, blithely disregarding their > native pastiness. Green Park always looks as if Noah's Flood has just > receded, leaving behind all those bodies lying about with skin the colour > of three-day floaters. > Yeucch .... > I never complain about displays of female flesh ;-) Deter one and you may deter them all :-( Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Free Lunch on 23 Jun 2008 22:07 On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:56:16 +0100, in alt.atheism "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in <mvY7k.123441$9x.103389(a)newsfe05.ams2>: > >"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message >news:84a437dd-655b-4a25-813f-03b9da77cb90(a)i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >On Jun 22, 12:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: .... >> > Scholars can show whatever they want to show. It will not change the >> > Bible. >> >> The bible has changed frequently in history. Any casual student of >> scripture would have been well aware of that fact. >> >> > Luke did not use Josephus. >> >> Have you read the Gospel According to Luke and Acts in Greek? Have you >> read >> Josephus' entire works in Greek? If not then you don't have even the most >> basic foundation to be able to discuss the matter. >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >It makes no difference what language you read the Bible in. You will >not comrehend what you read. >------------------------------------- >Why would I not comprehend the English bible? I think he's claiming that you won't comprehend it the way he does. I suspect that if you imbibed a fifth of cheap whiskey, you won't have an intellectual advantage over him any more.
From: Smiler on 23 Jun 2008 22:10
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:6ce082d7-4810-4b99-a595-ee23b435387e(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jun 22, 6:57?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > > news:485d8a1f$1(a)clear.net.nz... > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > >> On Jun 21, 8:16?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>> "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > > >>>news:6c4ja8F3erpl2U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >>>> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think > >>>> that > >>>> London doesn't exist right? > >>>> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may > >>>> come > >>>> as > >>>> a surprise to them. > >>> Like the esteemed Mr Winn Esq, London councils have no doubt > >>> whatsoever > >>> about the existence of London. ?At least, that is what they profess > >>> when > >>> they send out council tax demands. > > >> Taxes. ?Well, that is something that should convince some atheists. > >> Taxes are something they will never deny. > > > Are taxes evidence that any gods exist? > > Just the opposite. > Taxes are evidence that there are no such things as gods. > Taxes are evidence that atheists exist. -------------------------------- It's good to know that I exist! Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |