Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Darrell Stec on 22 Jun 2008 15:10 Alex W. wrote: > > "Darrell Stec" <darrell_stec(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message > news:485db4ed$0$3390$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > > >> Idiot. An atheist does not believe in gods, or demons or supernatural >> forces. Witches and demons cannot be atheists. >> > > Point of order: > why should an atheist not be able to believe in ghosts, demons and things > that go bump in the night? A non-belief in the existence of a god does > not automatically include a denial of the supernatural per se, does it? Yes. Demons and witches (not Wiccan) are agents of a god, evil ones, but gods nonetheless. Most demons are either former gods that have been demoted or minor order gods. So that includes angels too. It is the fact of supernatural (for which there is no evidence) that excludes the existence of a god. If god were natural then it could possibly exist but then it could do nothing supernatural because there would be no mechanism. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Darrell Stec on 22 Jun 2008 15:17 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 21, 7:11 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 21, 4:02 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 21, 8:19�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:5de9de62-15db-436d-a09c-db8e21818eef(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> Well, no. �Neither Stuart Dowling nor I suscribe to sorcery. >> >> >> Atheists, on the other hand always have something about sorcery in >> >> >> their signatures and nicknames similar to Ku Klux Klan members. >> >> >> >> ========== >> >> >> >> Do I now ... amazingly, I never noticed. >> >> >> Would you be so kind and point out these features about my nanem >> >> >> and signature? >> >> >> Or is it something invisible which I will only be able to see using >> >> >> my special-issue super-sikrit decoder ring? >> >> >> > Well, actually, Darrell Stec has yours included with his, since you >> >> > support everything Darrell Stec says. >> >> >> Aaaaaah, the old atheist hive-mind canard again. You couldn't support >> >> it before, will you now? >> >> >> YOU WILL BE... ASSIMILATED! RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Yes, Darrell's signature specifically mentions sorcery. Other >> > atheists call themselves witches, demons, etc. >> >> Idiot. An atheist does not believe in gods, or demons or supernatural >> forces. Witches and demons cannot be atheists. >> >> > Yours mentions thunder. >> > Robert b. Winn >> > So why all the references to sorcery? What all? > Robert B. Winn -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Alex W. on 22 Jun 2008 18:41 "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:485e2cab$1(a)clear.net.nz... > Alex W. wrote: >> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >> news:485d827a$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>> Alex W. wrote: >>>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>>> news:485c8ff5$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>>>>> news:485c2855$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Please don't mention cricket, I'm a Kiwi. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, an Aussie with manners! >>>>>> Good on yer. >>>>>> :-) >>>>> Cheers mate! >>>> No worries. >>>> Just be gentle with our rugby lads .... >>> See the game last night (this morning, no doubt for you)? Better show by >>> the ABs, but I'll leave off about that if you promise never to mention >>> the cricket. >> >> I don't know why you don't want me to mention the cricket since you >> levelled the series (you lucky sods), but if you really don't want me to >> mention the cricket, I won't mention it again (the cricket, that is). > > No way! I didn't even know we won, I went to bed after watching a Kiwi > batting collapse and assumed the worst! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/7465906.stm Jammy sods. We're being typically English again. <sigh> Every time it looks as if we might actually win something, we immediately get embarrassed and contrive to sabotage ourselves. > >>>>>>> You're right though, Marmite is actually the best reason to believe >>>>>>> in God that I've seen. Greases axles and puts hairs on your chest! >>>>>> Marmite, WD40 and gaffer tape -- what more does a man need? >>>>> Just a shed to chuck it all in. >>>> Hey now, why do you want to chuck it all in? There's a world out there >>>> full of famous rugby victories, chardonnay and lamb chops, marmite and >>>> warm women ... >>> By "chuck it in" I meant a shed to put the Marmite stocks in, and do >>> mysterious and unsafe "man stuff" with power tools. :-) >> >> Man stuff? >> Power tools? >> Why didn't you say "shearing shed" in the first place? >> >> Aussie:"Back home, we shear our sheep." >> Kiwi:"Sod off and get your own." > > I see my reputation precedes me again. Nah, I wouldn't know you from Adam. Just being all British and superior over here, carelessly dropping racial and colonial stereotypes into the conversation....
From: Smiler on 22 Jun 2008 20:56 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:6ac16e25-809e-4dce-9591-8cc50555fdb1(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... On Jun 21, 4:32 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 20, 4:01 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of > >> >> >>>>> time, you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. > >> >> >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >> >> >>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and > >> >> >>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing > >> >> >>>> else...and > >> >> >>>> we'll point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on > >> >> >>>> our inability to deal with reality like you do....Don't like > >> >> >>>> it? > >> >> >>>> Pray for us...otherwise..tough... > >> >> >>>> -- > >> >> >>>> �Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the > >> >> >>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, > >> >> >>>> 'Is > >> >> >>>> it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position > >> >> >>>> that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because > >> >> >>>> conscience tells one it is right.� > >> >> >>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - > >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own > >> >> >>> praying. Robert B. Winn > >> >> >> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does > >> >> >> something... > > >> >> > Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was > >> >> > what > >> >> > this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was > >> >> > pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the > >> >> > world. > >> >> > Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in > >> >> > the > >> >> > world. > > >> >> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your > >> >> beliefs and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a > >> >> ridiculous aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide > >> >> quoted > >> >> text - > > >> > So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? > >> > If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> Can you name those schools? It which specific class would that be > >> taught? What is an atheist school and how is it designated, by some > >> type > >> of charter or corporate document? > > >> -- > >> Later, > >> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com > > >> Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com > >> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > All public education in the United States is now atheistic. > > Here, let me try again. You didn't seem to answer the questions, probably > because the format was too difficult for you. Let me try to simplify > things. > > Question one: Can you name those schools? > > Your answer to this question goes here (hint: list of names of specific > schools): > > Question two: In which specific class would 'Christianity is false' be > taught? > > Your answer to question two goes here (hint: list the actual names of the > class and textbooks used that show your statement to be true for those > schools listed in question one): > > Question three: What is an atheist school? > > Answer to question three goes here (hint: give a fully qualified > definition > of atheist school): > > Question four: How is it designated? > > Answer to question number four goes here (hint: how does an atheist school > delineate itself from any other type of school): > > Question five: Do you gather this information and tell it is an atheist > school from its charter or incorporation papers? > > Answer to question five goes here (hint: please give the exact document > you > used as issued by named schools to prove they are atheist schools): > > If these questions are still too difficult for you, let me know and I will > ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and > vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can > comprehend > and then answer them. > > > Robert B. Winn All public schools are required to teach atheism. --------------------------------------- So you refuse, or are unable to, back up your assertion. It's just another of your many lies! Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 21:22
On Jun 22, 3:35 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 21, 3:30 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 21, 12:43�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:c5f85d3b-d62a-4cf8-925f-661796bd9082(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > >>>> All public education in the United States is now atheistic. > >>>> ========== > >>>> IOW, it conforms to the law of the land. > >>> The law of the land guaranteed freedom of religion, right to trial by > >>> jury, free and open elections, and many other things that do not exist > >>> in the United States today. > >> You don't feel free to practice your religion? Weird. It's a VERY > >> religious country. > > >> Public education  shouldn't teach people things that are not shown to be > >> true. They shouldn't teach Christianity, Islam, Odinism OR Hinduism. Why > >> is that wrong? > > > Public education is nothing more than a propaganda agency today.  I > > notice that you did not seem as concerned about discussing  right to > > trial by jury and free and open elections as you were about making > > sure religion was subject to atheism. > > I don't live in your country and really don't know anything about the > issues facing your society. I just don't believe that your schools are > atheist training grounds. > > Perhaps if you were to substantiate your claims?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, why don't you go ahead and believe what you want to believe. Did that ever occur to you? Robert B. Winn |