Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 06:36 On Jun 21, 4:32 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 20, 4:01 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of > >> >> >>>>> time, you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. > >> >> >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >> >> >>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and > >> >> >>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and > >> >> >>>> we'll point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on > >> >> >>>> our inability to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? > >> >> >>>> Pray for us...otherwise..tough... > >> >> >>>> -- > >> >> >>>> Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the > >> >> >>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is > >> >> >>>> it right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position > >> >> >>>> that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because > >> >> >>>> conscience tells one it is right. > >> >> >>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - > >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own > >> >> >>> praying. Robert B. Winn > >> >> >> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does > >> >> >> something... > > >> >> > Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what > >> >> > this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was > >> >> > pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. > >> >> > Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the > >> >> > world. > > >> >> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your > >> >> beliefs and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a > >> >> ridiculous aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted > >> >> text - > > >> > So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? > >> > If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> Can you name those schools? It which specific class would that be > >> taught? What is an atheist school and how is it designated, by some type > >> of charter or corporate document? > > >> -- > >> Later, > >> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com > > >> Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com > >> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > All public education in the United States is now atheistic. > > Here, let me try again. You didn't seem to answer the questions, probably > because the format was too difficult for you. Let me try to simplify > things. > > Question one: Can you name those schools? > > Your answer to this question goes here (hint: list of names of specific > schools): > > Question two: In which specific class would 'Christianity is false' be > taught? > > Your answer to question two goes here (hint: list the actual names of the > class and textbooks used that show your statement to be true for those > schools listed in question one): > > Question three: What is an atheist school? > > Answer to question three goes here (hint: give a fully qualified definition > of atheist school): > > Question four: How is it designated? > > Answer to question number four goes here (hint: how does an atheist school > delineate itself from any other type of school): > > Question five: Do you gather this information and tell it is an atheist > school from its charter or incorporation papers? > > Answer to question five goes here (hint: please give the exact document you > used as issued by named schools to prove they are atheist schools): > > If these questions are still too difficult for you, let me know and I will > ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a grammar and > vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so you can comprehend > and then answer them. > > > Robert B. Winn All public schools are required to teach atheism. Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 22 Jun 2008 06:42 Alex W. wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:485d827a$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> Alex W. wrote: >>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>> news:485c8ff5$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>> "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message >>>>> news:485c2855$1(a)clear.net.nz... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Please don't mention cricket, I'm a Kiwi. >>>>>> >>>>> Ah, an Aussie with manners! >>>>> Good on yer. >>>>> :-) >>>> Cheers mate! >>> No worries. >>> Just be gentle with our rugby lads .... >> See the game last night (this morning, no doubt for you)? Better show by >> the ABs, but I'll leave off about that if you promise never to mention the >> cricket. > > I don't know why you don't want me to mention the cricket since you levelled > the series (you lucky sods), but if you really don't want me to mention the > cricket, I won't mention it again (the cricket, that is). No way! I didn't even know we won, I went to bed after watching a Kiwi batting collapse and assumed the worst! >>>>>> You're right though, Marmite is actually the best reason to believe in >>>>>> God that I've seen. Greases axles and puts hairs on your chest! >>>>> Marmite, WD40 and gaffer tape -- what more does a man need? >>>> Just a shed to chuck it all in. >>> Hey now, why do you want to chuck it all in? There's a world out there >>> full of famous rugby victories, chardonnay and lamb chops, marmite and >>> warm women ... >> By "chuck it in" I meant a shed to put the Marmite stocks in, and do >> mysterious and unsafe "man stuff" with power tools. :-) > > Man stuff? > Power tools? > Why didn't you say "shearing shed" in the first place? > > Aussie:"Back home, we shear our sheep." > Kiwi:"Sod off and get your own." I see my reputation precedes me again.
From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 06:45 On Jun 21, 5:07 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 20, 4:22 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> > On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec > >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec > >> >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec > >> >> >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God > >> >> >> >> >> >> > would not want His children to die and just cease to be > >> >> >> >> >> >> > or to be punished forever, so He sent his Son to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > overcome death. �Because of wickedness, we see today > >> >> >> >> >> >> > that most people will reject God's gift of eternal life. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS > >> >> >> >> >> >> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari > >> >> >> >> >> >> Krishna monk> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> >> > Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why > >> >> >> >> >> > do you ask? Robert B. Winn > > >> >> >> >> >> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy > >> >> >> >> >> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the > >> >> >> >> >> answer might be obvious? > > >> >> >> >> > Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to > >> >> >> >> > ask the question.  Go ahead and say whatever you were going to > >> >> >> >> > say. Robert B. Winn > > >> >> >> >> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 > >> >> >> >> apostles of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology > >> >> >> >> than an Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of?  I know the > >> >> >> >> answer, but I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. > > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> Later, > >> >> >> >> Darrell Stec    dars...(a)neo.rr.com > > >> >> >> > Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? > >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> >> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion.  I am > >> >> >> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be > >> >> >> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. > >> >> >> Why are you afraid to answer the question?  Is it because it has > >> >> >> never been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy > >> >> >> and paste? Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others > >> >> >> to think for you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. > > >> >> >> -- > >> >> > Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? > > >> >> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and > >> >> I will ask him.  I'll also send him a list of your more insane > >> >> postings. > > >> >> > I told you athiests > >> >> > before that I was not going to be your researcher. > > >> >> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an > >> >> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS > >> >> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk?  That is a person opinion..  Or do > >> >> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question > >> >> so you can't copy and paste it? > > >> >> > If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the > >> >> > missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive.. > > >> >> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself?  Why are you having so > >> >> many problems answering an easy question?  What are you afraid of? > > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> > Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid > >> > contention with other churches.  So if you have some bone to pick with > >> > the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> Why are you avoiding the question?  Why is it so difficult for you to > >> answer the question?  It is a simple one.  Whom do you think knows more > >> about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of > >> the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk?  What are you afraid of. > >> Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the > >> question.  Why are you avoiding it? > > > I am not avoiding it.  You said the answer is obvious, so obviously, > > you already know the answer. > > Robert B. Winn > > I know the answer to the question.  I do not know what YOUR answer to the > question is because you are too afraid to answer a simple, direct question. > Why is that?  I want to know what YOUR answer to the question is. > > -- Well, just write to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an official answer from the church. Anything I could tell you would only be my own opinion. Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 22 Jun 2008 06:46 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 21, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 20, 10:30 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 20, 3:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jun 20, 5:44�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:91aff9de-ef71-4690-8e27-742500d48b32(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>> Well, you atheists have some strange ideas. �Your problem is that all >>>>>>>> you have is talk. �We have the Bible. >>>>>>>> ============= >>>>>>>> OK then, different tack. >>>>>>>> What do you have? >>>>>>>> What is the Bible? >>>>>>>> What makes up the Bible? >>>>>>>> Who decided what is and is not part of the Bible? >>>>>>>> Even if you believe, how can you TRUST a collection of documents that were >>>>>>>> transcribed from oral tradition, that have been edited, redacted, translated >>>>>>>> from previous translations, whose components were added or omitted according >>>>>>>> to pervailing theological fashion over several millennia? >>>>>>> Well, in the church I belong to, we do it because we have further >>>>>>> revelation on the same subject. >>>>>> The golden plates?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> No, we do not have the golden plates. >>>> Yes, I know. I was asking if that was the further revelation you rather >>>> mysteriously referred to?- Hide quoted text - >>> The golden plates were just golden plates. They were not revelation. >> I wouldn't have said that they were even that! ;-) Anyway, would you be >> willing to explain your revelation a bit more? I'd be interested to know >> how God is talking to his flock these days.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > The way he always did, through His prophet. You atheists were > claiming that because Moses did not seem to be world renowned at his > time, he could not have existed. The fact remains that he was the > prophet of God until the Israelites entered the promised land. So now > you are saying that you did not know there was a prophet of God > today. I could tell you did not. You had never even considered the > possibility. Could you explain exactly how the revelation is delivered and received? Is it recorded? Who is the prophet?
From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 06:46
On Jun 21, 5:05�pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > > news:485d8115(a)clear.net.nz... > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > >> On Jun 21, 12:43?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>>news:c5f85d3b-d62a-4cf8-925f-661796bd9082(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com.... > > >>> All public education in the United States is now atheistic. > > >>> ========== > > >>> IOW, it conforms to the law of the land. > > >> The law of the land guaranteed freedom of religion, right to trial by > >> jury, free and open elections, and many other things that do not exist > >> in the United States today. > > > You don't feel free to practice your religion? Weird. It's a VERY > > religious country. > > > Public education �shouldn't teach people things that are not shown to be > > true. They shouldn't teach Christianity, Islam, Odinism OR Hinduism. Why > > is that wrong? > > He does not grasp that "freedom of religion" also means "freedom FROM > religion".- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, then they should not be teaching atheism, either, but we see no such restriction on that religion. Robert B. Winn |