Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 01:05 On Jun 21, 4:10 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 21, 7:59 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:1f62d629-c363-4da7-9dfb-e564fb275e38(a)e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > > >>> On Jun 21, 4:03 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 20, 3:25 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 18, 11:45 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 12:13�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>news:87b0e53d-5a57-49b1-b3d0-a331560793fb(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 10:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>>news:d6db0a86-413e-4057-a2cf-40363e9b8a34(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well some people might not be convinced by your video footage. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There > >>>>>>>>>>>>> are many people who believe that the Apollo moon landings were > >>>>>>>>>>>>> faked. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>> It's not my fault if other people have mental health problems or > >>>>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>> gullible enough to swallow any wild- assed claim they come > >>>>>>>>>>>> across. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if my video footage is insufficient evidence, what makes > >>>>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2,000 > >>>>>>>>>>>> year old book o' blood and that silly Mormon bible more > >>>>>>>>>>>> convincing? > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you atheists did not do very well with regard to the > >>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian > >>>>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea. > >>>>>>>>>> I can assure you we had absolutely nothing to do with it. > >>>>>>>>>>> The Bible seems to have its facts a lot straighter > >>>>>>>>>>> than you atheists do. > >>>>>>>>>> There are very few facts in the bible at all. > >>>>>>>>>> It is a magic story based around real (and sometimes non- > >>>>>>>>>> existent ) > >>>>>>>>>> locations. > >>>>>>>>>>> Was there some other specific thing that you > >>>>>>>>>>> atheists wanted to discuss? > >>>>>>>>>> How about your inability to differentiate fantasy from reality? > >>>>>>>>> I think I do fairly well. Hezekiah's tunnel is real. The earthen > >>>>>>>>> ramp over the city wall at Lachish is real. Harry Potter is not > >>>>>>>>> real. > >>>>>>>> Ah, but London is! Is the Bible? It may be, we haven't refuted > >>>>>>>> anything > >>>>>>>> yet. But your logic is not supportive of your claims.- Hide quoted > >>>>>>>> text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> I actually know a man from London, England. I make doors and window > >>>>>>> frames for him sometimes. He soes not believe in Harry Potter either. > >>>>>> Then how can you logically deny that London even exists?!- Hide quoted > >>>>>> text - > >>>>> Actually Harry Potter is what does not exist. I know this will come > >>>>> as a shock to the atheist community. > >>>> It's your logic, you defend it!- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> It does not need defended.  Harry Potter either exists or he does > >>> not.  You are free to believe he exists if that is what you want to > >>> do. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think that > >> London doesn't exist right? > >> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may come as a > >> surprise to them. > > > It was your idea.  Why don't you tell them? > > Ah, but it's YOUR idea. We're just reapplying your logic in defence of > the Bible to defending Harry Potter. The logical consequences are your > problem, we don't believe such silliness. Neither the Bible, nor Harry > Potter.- Hide quoted text - > Well, someday you will come to realize that Harry Potter does not need defending. He is only a fictional character in a book. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 06:25 On Jun 21, 4:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 21, 8:16�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > > >>news:6c4ja8F3erpl2U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >>> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think that > >>> London doesn't exist right? > >>> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may come as > >>> a surprise to them. > >> Like the esteemed Mr Winn Esq, London councils have no doubt whatsoever > >> about the existence of London. �At least, that is what they profess when > >> they send out council tax demands. > > > Taxes.  Well, that is something that should convince some atheists.. > > Taxes are something they will never deny. > > Are taxes evidence that any gods exist?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Taxes are evidence that atheists exist. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 06:27 On Jun 21, 4:10 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 21, 7:59 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:1f62d629-c363-4da7-9dfb-e564fb275e38(a)e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > > >>> On Jun 21, 4:03 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 20, 3:25 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 18, 11:45 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 12:13�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>news:87b0e53d-5a57-49b1-b3d0-a331560793fb(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 10:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>>news:d6db0a86-413e-4057-a2cf-40363e9b8a34(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well some people might not be convinced by your video footage. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There > >>>>>>>>>>>>> are many people who believe that the Apollo moon landings were > >>>>>>>>>>>>> faked. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>> It's not my fault if other people have mental health problems or > >>>>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>> gullible enough to swallow any wild- assed claim they come > >>>>>>>>>>>> across. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if my video footage is insufficient evidence, what makes > >>>>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2,000 > >>>>>>>>>>>> year old book o' blood and that silly Mormon bible more > >>>>>>>>>>>> convincing? > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you atheists did not do very well with regard to the > >>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian > >>>>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea. > >>>>>>>>>> I can assure you we had absolutely nothing to do with it. > >>>>>>>>>>> The Bible seems to have its facts a lot straighter > >>>>>>>>>>> than you atheists do. > >>>>>>>>>> There are very few facts in the bible at all. > >>>>>>>>>> It is a magic story based around real (and sometimes non- > >>>>>>>>>> existent ) > >>>>>>>>>> locations. > >>>>>>>>>>> Was there some other specific thing that you > >>>>>>>>>>> atheists wanted to discuss? > >>>>>>>>>> How about your inability to differentiate fantasy from reality? > >>>>>>>>> I think I do fairly well. Hezekiah's tunnel is real. The earthen > >>>>>>>>> ramp over the city wall at Lachish is real. Harry Potter is not > >>>>>>>>> real. > >>>>>>>> Ah, but London is! Is the Bible? It may be, we haven't refuted > >>>>>>>> anything > >>>>>>>> yet. But your logic is not supportive of your claims.- Hide quoted > >>>>>>>> text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> I actually know a man from London, England. I make doors and window > >>>>>>> frames for him sometimes. He soes not believe in Harry Potter either. > >>>>>> Then how can you logically deny that London even exists?!- Hide quoted > >>>>>> text - > >>>>> Actually Harry Potter is what does not exist. I know this will come > >>>>> as a shock to the atheist community. > >>>> It's your logic, you defend it!- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> It does not need defended.  Harry Potter either exists or he does > >>> not.  You are free to believe he exists if that is what you want to > >>> do. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think that > >> London doesn't exist right? > >> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may come as a > >> surprise to them. > > > It was your idea.  Why don't you tell them? > > Ah, but it's YOUR idea. We're just reapplying your logic in defence of > the Bible to defending Harry Potter. The logical consequences are your > problem, we don't believe such silliness. Neither the Bible, nor Harry > Potter.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Some day you will be able to see that Harry Potter does not need defending. Harry Potter is only a fictional character in a book. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 22 Jun 2008 06:32 On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>> <snip> > >>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the Assyrian > >>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. �What part of it do you claim is > >>>>>>> fiction? �So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's > >>>>>>> tunnel. �Are you still claiming that those are fiction? > >>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? > >>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. Have you > >>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I would > >>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't have a > >>>>>> reason to decide at this point. > >>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! > >>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion about > >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to try > >>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. > >>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. > >>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be > >>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be > >>> seen.  So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. > >> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have > >> consistently denied that London exists too. > > >> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about Harry > >> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > No reason to talk about Harry Potter.  There never was. > > Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or earthern > ramps either. I agree with you. :-)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You said you wanted to talk about the Bible. So now are you saying that you only want to discuss the parts of the Bible that you select? Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 22 Jun 2008 06:35
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 21, 3:30 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 21, 12:43�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:c5f85d3b-d62a-4cf8-925f-661796bd9082(a)t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>> All public education in the United States is now atheistic. >>>> ========== >>>> IOW, it conforms to the law of the land. >>> The law of the land guaranteed freedom of religion, right to trial by >>> jury, free and open elections, and many other things that do not exist >>> in the United States today. >> You don't feel free to practice your religion? Weird. It's a VERY >> religious country. >> >> Public education shouldn't teach people things that are not shown to be >> true. They shouldn't teach Christianity, Islam, Odinism OR Hinduism. Why >> is that wrong? > > Public education is nothing more than a propaganda agency today. I > notice that you did not seem as concerned about discussing right to > trial by jury and free and open elections as you were about making > sure religion was subject to atheism. I don't live in your country and really don't know anything about the issues facing your society. I just don't believe that your schools are atheist training grounds. Perhaps if you were to substantiate your claims? |