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From: dorayme on 25 Dec 2009 18:24 In article <m21viiekrn.fsf(a)revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> wrote: > dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> writes: > > > Let me propose something even more general: > > > > "by and large, if animals of the same weight eat exactly the same and > > exercise exactly the same, they will differ not that much. There are > > probably interesting differences but they would not be gross." > > OK, but doesn't this still mean that genetic factors do not cause > overweight as such but rather habits or preferences that *lead* to being > overweight? Like eating too much and moving not enough? Genetic factors that have been proposed have rarely if ever had magical powers, the limit being, if you have the factors, you just put on weight by existing in time. The idea is often, for example, that it causes people to still feel hungry when normal people do not. This puts pressure on their abilities to say no to more food. Which is where I first came into this thread, we need to be careful stressing the free will control people have, it is not a level playing field. -- dorayme
From: Mark Conrad on 26 Dec 2009 04:01 In article <doraymeRidThis-F04E68.08181326122009(a)news.albasani.net>, dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > I am sorry so many millions of your poorer citizens > get such a lousy deal at the moment and that someone > who is trying desperately to do something about it > is being torn to shreds and hampered in his every > effort before he can get anything at all going. Hampered? - seems to me he is getting everything his own way, his bloated health bill has passed both houses of congress here. > I am sorry so many millions of your poorer citizens > get such a lousy deal at the moment... I am considered a poverty case by our governments own standards, and I do not have any such "lousy deal" when it comes to health care, just the opposite. The only people who will benefit are the illegal aliens who have no repect for the rule of law and flood our country, overloading our health system and our school system and our crime-prevention system. We have _always_ been friendly for immigration here, when people go in the front door and abide by our laws. Every nation has the right to chose their own form of government - - - or _should_ have that right, unless an oppressive government takes away their right to choose. If I wanted to live in a socialist nanny-state society, I would move to a socialist country. If _you_ wanted rampant money-grubbing capitalism, you would likely move to the USA. If either one of us wanted the communist-control form of government, we would move to China or North Korea. (now _those_ are two countries which do not have hordes of illegal aliens trying to get into their country <g> ) We don't, so we are both happy staying where we are. > What I know about the American system is summed up > in the film, 'As Good As It Gets'. > > It is frightening that there are pressures > to go the same way over here. That is funny <g> I feel exactly the same way, only in reverse. I feel that rampant socialism is being jammed down our throats here, whether we want it or not. Mark-
From: Mark Conrad on 26 Dec 2009 04:01 In article <0093127c$0$8156$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Warren Oates <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ...my family doctor sees me within minimally 48 hours > and sometimes the same day. Hope for your sake you do not get "maybe" symptoms of a brain aneurysm that needs prompt action in less than an hour, a burst aneurysm (stroke) is a major killer which will not wait for the slow nanny-state testing approval in your country. > So, we have pretty decent government-mandated health care > in Canada, Mark ... Here, the free market money-grubbing system is in effect, so we save a lot of money that would otherwise be wasted on government bureaucracy. Although right now it looks like they are going to jam socialized medicine down our throats, even though the polls here show that 60% here do not want it. So much for our so-called representative government here in the USA. Mark-
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 26 Dec 2009 08:48 Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > In article <0093127c$0$8156$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Warren Oates > <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > ...my family doctor sees me within minimally 48 hours > > and sometimes the same day. > > Hope for your sake you do not get "maybe" symptoms of > a brain aneurysm that needs prompt action in less than > an hour, a burst aneurysm (stroke) is a major killer > which will not wait for the slow nanny-state testing > approval in your country. Rubbish - there are no waiting lists for critical and emergency cases in Canada, the UK, NZ, etc. So long as you or a doctor catches the symptoms and you reach a hospital in time, you'll get immediate high quality care. It's that very immediate care of such cases that helps cause the waiting lists for less serious procedures. What - did you think it was a case of first come first served regardless of the ailment? > > So, we have pretty decent government-mandated health care > > in Canada, Mark ... > > Here, the free market money-grubbing system is in effect, > so we save a lot of money that would otherwise be wasted on > government bureaucracy. Quite how you can be unaware how inefficient your health system is given the current discussion amazes me. Yet - here we are and you remain oblivious... > Although right now it looks like they are going to jam > socialized medicine down our throats, even though > the polls here show that 60% here do not want it. I wonder how many of those have any understanding of life in a society with universal socialised health care? Colour me cynical, but I suspect they're mostly ignorant of what it means, and/or worship the 'wild west' (which you yanks seem to idolise) free market too much - once again whether they have any real understanding - to countenance any real lasting and meaningful change. > So much for our so-called representative government > here in the USA. > > Mark- That's what happens when you let lobby groups get control of the government and there's finally a public backlash. But not to worry - they're already re-exerting control and your citizens are falling back into line. You'll run those damn bleeding heart liberals out in no time. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Warren Oates on 26 Dec 2009 08:51
In article <261220090101469204%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>, Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > Hope for your sake you do not get "maybe" symptoms of > a brain aneurysm that needs prompt action in less than > an hour, a burst aneurysm (stroke) is a major killer > which will not wait for the slow nanny-state testing > approval in your country. You're not very bright are you? You used to evince a little more intelligence, couple of years ago. Been tested for dementia lately? You're covered, I understand. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer |