From: Wes Groleau on
Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> Rubbish - there are no waiting lists for critical and emergency cases in
> Canada, the UK, NZ, etc. So long as you or a doctor catches the symptoms
> and you reach a hospital in time, you'll get immediate high quality
> care. It's that very immediate care of such cases that helps cause the
> waiting lists for less serious procedures. What - did you think it was a
> case of first come first served regardless of the ailment?

What about the waiting times for the appointment that diagnoses
something critical where the patient had thought it was trivial?

Not that it doesn't happen in USA--I lost a pound a day for two
months before a urine test showed where it was going. The only
reason I had the test was because it was routine when I showed up
at E.R. for something unrelated.

--
Wes Groleau

Common Sense
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=1184
From: William Clark on
In article <261220090101469204%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>,
Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote:

> In article <0093127c$0$8156$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Warren Oates
> <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...my family doctor sees me within minimally 48 hours
> > and sometimes the same day.
>
> Hope for your sake you do not get "maybe" symptoms of
> a brain aneurysm that needs prompt action in less than
> an hour, a burst aneurysm (stroke) is a major killer
> which will not wait for the slow nanny-state testing
> approval in your country.
>
>
> > So, we have pretty decent government-mandated health care
> > in Canada, Mark ...
>
> Here, the free market money-grubbing system is in effect,
> so we save a lot of money that would otherwise be wasted on
> government bureaucracy.

Which, I suppose, is why the US spends almost 50% more per person on
health care than other western countries with national health care
systems, but still winds up at 30th+ in the world's life expectancy
table. Well behind the same Europeans countries.

Doesn't seem to be working too well, does it?
>
> Although right now it looks like they are going to jam
> socialized medicine down our throats, even though
> the polls here show that 60% here do not want it.

70%+ of the public want a public option. Same with the doctors.
>
> So much for our so-called representative government
> here in the USA.

See above. Amazing what health care companies can buy with our dollars.
isn't it?
From: William Clark on
In article <261220090101408857%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>,
Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote:

> In article <doraymeRidThis-F04E68.08181326122009(a)news.albasani.net>,
> dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > I am sorry so many millions of your poorer citizens
> > get such a lousy deal at the moment and that someone
> > who is trying desperately to do something about it
> > is being torn to shreds and hampered in his every
> > effort before he can get anything at all going.
>
> Hampered? - seems to me he is getting everything
> his own way, his bloated health bill has passed both
> houses of congress here.
>
>
>
> > I am sorry so many millions of your poorer citizens
> > get such a lousy deal at the moment...
>
> I am considered a poverty case by our governments
> own standards, and I do not have any such "lousy deal"
> when it comes to health care, just the opposite.
>
> The only people who will benefit are the illegal aliens
> who have no repect for the rule of law and flood our
> country, overloading our health system and our school
> system and our crime-prevention system.
>
> We have _always_ been friendly for immigration here,
> when people go in the front door and abide by our laws.
>
> Every nation has the right to chose their own form
> of government - - - or _should_ have that right,
> unless an oppressive government takes away their
> right to choose.
>
> If I wanted to live in a socialist nanny-state society,
> I would move to a socialist country.
>
> If _you_ wanted rampant money-grubbing capitalism,
> you would likely move to the USA.
>
> If either one of us wanted the communist-control form of
> government, we would move to China or North Korea.
> (now _those_ are two countries which
> do not have hordes of illegal aliens
> trying to get into their country <g> )
>
>
> We don't, so we are both happy staying where we are.
>
>
>
> > What I know about the American system is summed up
> > in the film, 'As Good As It Gets'.
> >
> > It is frightening that there are pressures
> > to go the same way over here.
>
> That is funny <g>
>
> I feel exactly the same way, only in reverse. I feel that
> rampant socialism is being jammed down our throats here,
> whether we want it or not.
>
> Mark-

Sorry, you wouldn't know what "rampant socialism" is if your life
depended on it.
From: Mark Conrad on
In article <C759A3A1.4E451%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, Nick Naym
<nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote:

> > Regulated socialised
>
> Ooooohhh....you said the "S" word! You must be a left-wing commie
> sympathizer.

Naw, rules and regulations for us right-wingers were
updated recently, commies are our buddies now.

We are now directed by our king (Rush Limbaugh) to pick
on the muslims. Countries like the UK don't dare, because
of the huge muslim presence there.


Here is a little bit for all you bleeding-heart liberals:

<http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty523.htm>

�I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam
had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the
basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the
presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

�When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam
and asked: �Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I
understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have
declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels
of the world and, that by killing an infidel,
(which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured
of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me
the definition of an infidel?'

�There was no disagreement with my statements and,
without hesitation, he replied, �Non-believers!�

�I responded, �So, let me make sure I have this straight.
All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone
who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven.
Is that correct?�

�The expression on his face changed from one of authority
and command to that of a little boy who had just been
caught with his hand in the cookie jar."



Now 'scuse me, I found a copy of the Koran that I need
to flush down the toilet.

Mark-
From: Mark Conrad on
In article <009454a3$0$16943$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Warren Oates
<warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> You're not very bright are you?

No, old age and lack of cognition almost always
go hand-in-hand.

I can't even shake my head any more because
my brain has shrunk to the size of a walnut.


> You used to evince a little more
> intelligence, couple of years ago.

Old age cognition degradation is logarithmic,
check with me a month from now and I will likely
be so senile that I might turn into a bleeding-heart
liberal, slavishly believing that an omnipotent nanny
state socialist government "knows best".


> Been tested for dementia lately?

I do not believe in wasting medical time on the obvious.



Now about those death panels that ObamaCare creates.

That is the one good thing in his bloated health bill.

I and most of my half-dead friends are all in favor
of death panels, lemme explain.

Few years ago took my 20 year old cat to the cat
hospital near here, paid $200 to to give "Garfield"
a going-away party. She had a male personality,
therefore the male "Garfield" name.

She was doing things like falling over face-first
in her cat feeding dish, not enjoying life much.

Balloons, cat treats, everyone who was anyone was at
her party, she was happy and purring.

Vet gave her the shot (lethal injection) - - - at the
time she was licking my finger.

Death occurred instantly, no pain or spasm.

Only way we could tell that she was dead was that her
tongue stayed half way out in mid-lick.

For humans, old geezers would be standing in line
trying to get into any halfways decent death shop
sponsored by ObamaCare. I would be the first one
in line.

Years ago we had a doctor here in the USA that
would put people out of their misery.

They slapped that guy in jail, bummer.


Y'know what, I was actually envious of my cat, because
I watched all my personal friends die in pain at these
end-of-life "hospices" for the terminally ill.

Not for me, buddy. Right now I have several applications
cooking, as a security guard in any high-risk crime area,
or as a cop in Bagdad. Plus my motorcycle license is still
valid and operational, I might start competitive
murdercycle racing - - - with a "blower" that runs
only $600 I can get a bike well over 200 mph.

Drag bikes get close to 300 mph near the end of their run.

Mark-
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