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From: dorayme on 25 Dec 2009 16:07 In article <0001HW.C759A7A8001B5A44B01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft(a)me.com> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:25:17 -0600, dorayme wrote > (in article <doraymeRidThis-4C8DD3.08251725122009(a)news.albasani.net>): > > [commenting in response to my prior postings in this thread where I commented > on the increase in obesity in recent years] > > > I was talking the obesity largely influenced by genetics. You seem to be > > talking human beings generally. We all are prone to get fatter if we > > have bad diets and exercise less. > > Methinks in terms of that statement that we are pretty much in agreement. > Perhaps so. > > As an aside, today, December 24, I celebrated my 75th birthday, feeling good > that at 5'10" my weight is at 160 lbs. I do watch my diet and try to get in > about an hours walking each day. Bless you! -- dorayme
From: dorayme on 25 Dec 2009 16:18 In article <241220092129276759%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>, Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > In article <doraymeRidThis-9F6557.08211025122009(a)news.albasani.net>, > dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > A top-of-the-line _unregulated_ blood lab would have > > > spotted your rare blood type. > > > > So would a top of the line government owned one. > > What is your point? > > No it would not. ObamaCare is all about using the > lowest cost alternative, no expensive gear to spot rare > blood types. > .... I was imagining things in principle and not from an American political point of view. I am sorry so many millions of your poorer citizens get such a lousy deal at the moment and that someone who is trying desperately to do something about it is being torn to shreds and hampered in his every effort before he can get anything at all going. What I know about the American system is summed up in the film, 'As Good As It Gets'. It is frightening that there are pressures to go the same way over here. -- dorayme
From: dorayme on 25 Dec 2009 16:20 In article <241220092233156424%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>, Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > Do we really want to abandon our capitalist > democracy which has led to our high standard > of living for whom? -- dorayme
From: dorayme on 25 Dec 2009 16:25 In article <9a8bbb7a-488f-4ce2-9fcb-32e05741f9d4(a)n38g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, Linda Hungerford <tallgrassprairie(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > On Dec 24, 3:13 am, dorayme <doraymeRidT...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > That is not the crucial test, it is a simple fact that by and large, if > > people of the same weight eat exactly the same and exercise exactly the > > same, they will differ not that much. There are probably interesting > > differences but they would not be gross. > > > > -- > > dorayme > > Your statement,above, needs to be conrolled for gender. Males, with > 30% more muscle mass, can and will lose weight much more efficiently > than females. > Let me propose something even more general: "by and large, if animals of the same weight eat exactly the same and exercise exactly the same, they will differ not that much. There are probably interesting differences but they would not be gross." Physics and the laws of thermodynamics do not stop to discriminate. -- dorayme
From: Jochem Huhmann on 25 Dec 2009 17:44
dorayme <doraymeRidThis(a)optusnet.com.au> writes: > Let me propose something even more general: > > "by and large, if animals of the same weight eat exactly the same and > exercise exactly the same, they will differ not that much. There are > probably interesting differences but they would not be gross." OK, but doesn't this still mean that genetic factors do not cause overweight as such but rather habits or preferences that *lead* to being overweight? Like eating too much and moving not enough? I still think that, while it may not help you and me as individuals, this is to a large part a cultural problem. Evolutionary we're wired to consume if we can and to slack down if we can. This was for a very long time no problem because circumstances in which we could consume and be lazy were rare enough that we had to wallow in them as best as we could to survive the lean and busy times (which were much more common). Now things have changed, though. Capitalism *depends* on people consuming as much as possible and encourages them to do so. Being comfortable is also encouraged, since it means cars and gas and power tools and delivery services and generally products and services being sold. Additionally people tend to be powerless and feel they're depending on a huge system in which they're only a small cog. Being the master of your life and a self-sufficient person is not the rule, it's the exception. More and more people feel powerless and totally incapable to change things and to look out at the world as a thing to act on and to walk out to and to conquer. Instead they look at the world as a thing to consume and to be catered by. This leads to them eating and drinking too much and to be driven and to be served. This is very much like being addicted to some drug. Have you seen WALL-E (the movie)? It describes this in an almost disturbingly precise way. I have no idea if and how this relates to christmas, but maybe it does anyway. Luckily I have been eating not too much, because my 15 month old niece was jumping around me, but I couldn't help thinking about how this time of year was the last feast before hard months were coming up and it was a feast of lights and the last perishable foodstuff being flared off. There was a hard time looming after that. Nowadays the cold and the darkness only leads us to eat even more because we can. Jochem -- "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery |