Impossible For CO2 to Heat Oceans
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From: Hoggle on 16 Aug 2006 15:08 David wrote: > Actually, the equation can be and is used with "gray bodies". The factor > that corrects for gray bodies is the emissivity. For a column of CO2 at 380 > ppm the emissivity is quite high. It is closer to 1 than 0. The > Stephan-Boltzmann equation therefore tends to SUPPORT the "warmists" > argument. Glad to hear it. But don't confuse Kent Deadhead with facts - his mind is made up.
From: pomerado on 16 Aug 2006 18:31 kdthrge(a)yahoo.com wrote: <the usual> Take my advice: read a few of James Harris's postings on sci.math or sci.crypt. Compare and contrast his view of academia to yours. Which one of you is crazy?
From: kdthrge on 17 Aug 2006 12:21 richard schumacher wrote: > In article <1155692288.133893.80870(a)m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, > kdthrge(a)yahoo.com typed some stuff. > > Do you sleep under a blanket on a cold night? If so, why? By your > argument, it's impossible for a blanket to increase your temperature > because your body's heat capacity is so much larger than that of the > blanket. > This is very funny, you guy's arguing your position with your panzy science and your links to panzy 'scientists" who either know no thermodynamics at all or are committing deliberate fraud of the highest order. And your references to opacity of the atmosphere are false. Radiation with wavelength longer than 1 micron does not succed in passing through the atmosphere. I guess you think you have a monopoly on evacuated spectroscopic apparatus so you can get away with this bullshit. Intimidate me shitheads!! .. Let us therfore take the case of the blanket, the heat capacity and the temperature. At the point that you wrap up in the blanket in cold air, the air inside the blanket will rise until it reaches equilibrium, or an unchanging temperature. At this point the heat being produced by your body, and the total amount of heat radiating from the blanket to the ouside are equal. Can your little mind understand this? Influx = outflux at constant temperature. Whatever temperature this is, or even if a temperature is changing, there is a quantity of energy of the escapiong radiation in the plane of a square centemeter, that has energy in accordance to the Boltzman-Stefan equation. If you wrap in another blanket the temperature inside the blanket WILL NOT BEGIN A RuNAWAY INCREASE!!!!!!!!!!! The degree that the second blanket restricts the radiation, will force the density of the radiation field inside the blanket to increase it's volume energy (Planck's Law for volume energy). Total energy increases as a fourth power to temperature. Therefore the relationship between how much newly restricted radiaiton is forced into the radiation field proportional to the increase in temperature. The restriction of radiation increases the temperature which will rise until the density per sq cm allows in the total aperature the release of radiation (which travels at c) equal to the influx to the system at which time the temperature will stabilize. Your theory of runaway increase is some of the STUPIDEST SUPERSTITION THAT HAS EVER PLAGUED HUMANS. And your analogy sucks anyway. If in a temperature controlled room you have a big box that contains four hundred gallons of water and four cubic cm of air. And you let everything reach equilibrium temperature. And then you put a heating coil with very minute heat into the air inside the container, it will never warm the water. Much better analogy than the blanket. According to your theory, the little bit of warmth will cause the water to do spontaneous warming which is impossible because of the law of conservation and energy and total energy emmited in accordance to Stefan's Law. Influx = outflux. Kent Deatherage
From: David on 17 Aug 2006 17:30 What are the first and second laws of thernodynamics? Also, what is black body radiation? What emits radiation? How is the amount a body radiates estimated? Teach us something.
From: kdthrge on 17 Aug 2006 21:46
David wrote: > What are the first and second laws of thernodynamics? > > Also, what is black body radiation? What emits radiation? How is the amount > a body radiates estimated? > > Teach us something. The main thing that needs to be learned here which can be proven is that the so called 'scientists' that believe in "greenhouse gas theory" have no science, no mechanics, no thermodynamics, no logical application to achieving the truth, and because of their superstition have no objective ability to analyze a damn thing. Their asking for the implementation of laws restricting CO2 is a criminal matter. Can you learn that? Kent Deatherage |