Impossible For CO2 to Heat Oceans
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From: Hoggle on 18 Aug 2006 06:57 kdthrge(a)yahoo.com wrote: > The main thing that needs to be learned here which can be proven is > that the so called 'scientists' that believe in "greenhouse gas theory" > have no science, no mechanics, no thermodynamics, no logical > application to achieving the truth, and because of their superstition > have no objective ability to analyze a damn thing. This is evidence that you are not a scientist. A scientist would know that no theory can be proven. Science is about weight of evidence and making predictions that will disprove the theory behind them if they fail to happen. Even the laws of thermodynamics are only theories that have yet to be disproved.
From: David on 18 Aug 2006 16:01 Don't let them pull you down to their level.
From: kdthrge on 18 Aug 2006 18:30 Hoggle wrote: > kdthrge(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > The main thing that needs to be learned here which can be proven is > > that the so called 'scientists' that believe in "greenhouse gas theory" > > have no science, no mechanics, no thermodynamics, no logical > > application to achieving the truth, and because of their superstition > > have no objective ability to analyze a damn thing. > > This is evidence that you are not a scientist. A scientist would know > that no theory can be proven. Science is about weight of evidence and > making predictions that will disprove the theory behind them if they > fail to happen. Even the laws of thermodynamics are only theories that > have yet to be disproved. > > :MODIS_ATM_solar_irradiance.jpg > The sun does not emit significant radiation outside the 200nm-2700nm > range. ,,,Only a Harvard approved scientist would record this bullshit as fact.... > > > Atmospheric_transmittance_infrared.gif > The importance of CO to absorption of outgoing Infra-red is in this > window, between 8 and 15 microns. As can be seen, CO2 has lesser* > absorption lines at about 9.4 and 10.6 microns which fall into this > window. Thus any radiation at these wavelengths will be absorbed by it > sooner on its way out. If there is more CO2, more radiation will be > absorbed in the lower atmosphere. > > > >> * the main CO2 absorbtion bands are at 4.26 µm and 14.99 Ther is no laboratory evidence that CO2 has any change or difference than other gases in it's heat properties when irradiated by these or any other thermal frequencies. There are absolutely NO frequencies that would pass back out of the atmosphere that CO2 blocks. You would bring this up also if there were direct labratory proof which you know there is not. You presume this happens when it cannot be confirmed in the laboratory. It does not appear in the laboratory data, because it doesn't occur, with 100% CO2, or in the atmosphere where perhaps there has been a change in concentrations of CO2 of maybe several tens of parts per million in the 150 years of the industrial age. Kent Deatherage
From: Hoggle on 19 Aug 2006 06:41 kdthrge(a)yahoo.com wrote: > Ther is no laboratory evidence that CO2 has any change or difference > than other gases in it's heat properties when irradiated by these or > any other thermal frequencies. There are absolutely NO frequencies that > would pass back out of the atmosphere that CO2 blocks. Sad the lengths some people go to to support their beliefs.
From: kdthrge on 19 Aug 2006 19:39
Hoggle wrote: > kdthrge(a)yahoo.com wrote: > > Ther is no laboratory evidence that CO2 has any change or difference > > than other gases in it's heat properties when irradiated by these or > > any other thermal frequencies. There are absolutely NO frequencies that > > would pass back out of the atmosphere that CO2 blocks. > > Sad the lengths some people go to to support their beliefs. Well the let's be real real clear here with what your fraudulent science is doing. People ask you how much radiant energy is returned to the sytem by CO2. You do not refer to any labratory data as they expect you to, you look at the 'molecular absorption bands', do some calculations as to how much of the receding radation is blocked by these bands, which is and invalid calculation according to actual labratory data, and give some percent value for the amount of radiation that is being retarded already, which assumes the rest is passing through which it is not. You cannot say how much heat CO2 is retaining, and in fact it is impossible for CO2 to block radaiton like is described in the basic description of your theory. From there you go to perverting every theoretical principle and law of physics to try to make your fraudulent theory work. CO2 is a normal gas and obeys the perfect gas law if not under high pressure. It has exactly the same heat capacity as mon-atomic gases such as O2, N2, and H2. This is all in accord with the 'kinetic thesory of gases". You cannot produce labratory data that shows CO2 to have any unique properties associated with heat or the retention of radiation. like your mumbling data implies. CO2 may deflect frequencies in the very near infrared near the visible because it is a heavier molecule. The earth's radiation at 287 K is almost non-existent at these frequencies and the sun's radiation is very intense at these frequencies. This would cause a cooling of the oceans although the actual effect is probably negligible. Your value for the sun's radiation is false. You put the llimit for longer wavelennth's at 2700 nm which is 2,7 microns. The atmosphere is opaque from 1 micron. The intense sunlight however passes from molecule to molecule at the speed of light in the wavelengths longer than 1 micron, and radiation to about 2.7 microns passes on through almost directly from the sunlight. However the sun radiates in all frequencies down to the radio waves, In all the thermal frequencies, the sun radiates with much greater intensity and energy than the earth. These frequencies do not pass through the atmosphere however. You think you can get away with just saying later you were mistaken here, and not deliberately trying to commit fraud.The radio waves for some reason can pass through air. Their energy is miniscule compared to light frequencies. The thermal frequencies below the infrared do not pass through air, and to say that CO2 traps some of these frequencies is ridiculous and cannot be confirmed by labratory data. Kent Deatherage |