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From: Michael A. Terrell on 7 Nov 2006 14:08 hill(a)rowland.org wrote: > > Winfield Hill wrote: > > > > 4200 postings and still going strong. Amazing. > > Wow, now 7200 posts and still going strong. And most > of the posts were under the original subject title. This > must be some kind of a record. Certainly it's a stress > test for the Google Groups web-page display code, etc. Never have so many, said so much, about so little! ;-) I heard of one long flame war that passed 10K posts, but I never found out which newsgroup. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida
From: lucasea on 7 Nov 2006 16:16 "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:bJmdnQrRl8GpXM3YnZ2dnUVZ8q6dnZ2d(a)pipex.net... > > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:u214h.8283$B31.4690(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >> >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >> news:92d5d$45506124$4fe724c$5573(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> >>>> "Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message >>>> news:eip1jv$l49$2(a)blue.rahul.net... >>>> >>>>>In article <Au2dnWKEQ78ZLNLYRVnyvw(a)pipex.net>, >>>>>T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:454FAB77.221D4C96(a)hotmail.com... >>>>> >>>>>[....] >>>>> >>>>>>>Nobody's appeasing anyone not suggesting they should do. >>>>>> >>>>>>unsettled (and those like him) have no case to put forward. As a >>>>>>result they >>>>>>have to rely on scare terms such as the ubiquitous "Nazi" reference, >>>>>>mixed >>>>>>in with what they view as cutting insults. >>>>>> >>>>>>How can you be an appeaser when there is no Nazi state to appease? >>>>> >>>>>There really is something that looks a lot like appeasing. Closing the >>>>>Prince Sultan Airbase in 2003 sort of quacks like appeasement of the >>>>>extremists. >>>> >>>> >>>> The extremists I think we really need to stop appeasing are the >>>> Religious Right and the Republicans who they are currently leading >>>> around by the nose. Tomorrow's our chance. >>> >>> >>> Perhaps you're talking about the people who have and >>> maintain taditional American values. You know, the >>> folks who made America great in the first place! >>> The America that has been handed to you on a silver >>> platter, in fact. >>> >>> I'm happy to appease them forever. Their ideology has >>> withstood the test of time, while yours keeps failing >>> only to be recycled by the next generation. >> >> I would put that differently. Every few years, the population gets tired >> of the smug and self-sanctimonious preachings of those who claim to be >> the arbiters of "traditional American values", and try to get our society >> to evolve in the direction of its citizens *thinking*, rather than >> reacting at a gut level to their prejudices and hatreds. And then the >> self-sanctimonious fear- and hate-mongers among us feel their grip on >> society slipping, and redouble their efforts to pander to the prejudices >> and basest emotions of the population--the "least common denominator", as >> it were. I don't expect it to stick this time either--but it's still >> worth trying. > > There is a strong undercurrent in the UK about "Traditional Values" - > often trumpeted by rightwing elements but not always. > > I don't know much about what is American Traditional Values, but the ones > alluded to here in the UK are little more than myth clung to by a people > scared of change. If people look at the real lifestyles and behaviour of > people in the golden age they allude to it would shock them rigid. Sadly, > they fixate on this "Traditional Value" from an imaginary age and bring it > out with moral force on a regular basis. (A UK newspaper capitalises on > this in its advertisements). > > Traditional Values generally equate to prejudice, fanciful thinking, > hatred and oppression. Nothing Western or Democratic about that. No difference between here and the UK on that one...and in fact, I've never found it particular American either. If anything, we were founded on a principle of open-mindedness, the opposite of "Traditional American Values (R)". The phrase "Traditional American Values" is also frequently trotted out to win arguments like this one. Eric Lucas Eric Lucas > >
From: lucasea on 7 Nov 2006 16:18 "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:XZadneYn6_TkX83YRVnyrA(a)pipex.net... > > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:BM14h.8314$B31.7002(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >> >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:eiq0h1$8qk_012(a)s900.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <dGS3h.5355$7F3.3682(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>"krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote in message >>>>news:MPG.1fb9bd1d862e8abb989ab0(a)news.individual.net... >>>>> >>>>>> Dry wood burns very cleanly. >>>>> >>>>> It still stinks to hell. >>>> >>>>Not if you're using a good, modern wood stove, and good dry >>>>(particularly >>>>hard) wood. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I burn some in a fairly efficient stove, >>>> >>>>It's not just efficiency, it's also related to pollution control >>>>devices. >>>> >>>> >>>>> but unless there is a wind blowing it's a mess. It stinks if it's >>>>> still, >>>> >>>>Not if you're using a good, modern wood stove, and good dry >>>>(particularly >>>>hard) wood. >>> >>> How do you make everybody do this? >> >> Why your desparate need to "make everybody do" things. Why not just let >> them make their own decisions, and you make yours? > > Interesting observation. /BAH goes on about the problems with despot-led > nations, freedom, democracy etc., yet as you point out here has this > almost constant desire to make every one conform. > > I never noticed it before and I should have - her references to forcing > freedom on people should have alerted me. > > Has doublespeak got to the point where we do indeed force people to freely > choose the thing we want them to choose? I assume the buzzword "empowerment" made the rounds in the UK sometime in the last 15 or so years.... I once had a boss tell me "you're empowered to do whatever the hell I tell you to do." Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 7 Nov 2006 16:22 "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:4550CE20.E4FFA450(a)earthlink.net... > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> In article <GsSdnfyAiLgRp9LYnZ2dnUVZ8sSdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> > >> ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> >news:einbk7$8qk_007(a)s943.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> >> In article <454C9C11.F26D71E5(a)hotmail.com>, >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Do you guys not have fireplaces any more ? >> >>>> >> >>>> Only for show. >> >>> >> >>>I have 3 working ones. >> >> >> >> I have one that is functional. But it doesn't do anything useful. >> >> I can't cook nor heat with it. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Are you saying that it's OK to pollute the air for heating? >> >>> >> >>>A good stove can be 90% efficient. >> >> >> >> That's not good enough if you're burning wood. >> > >> >What efficiency would you require for burning wood? >> >> No smoke at all. >> >> /BAH > > > Catalytic converter. Unfortunately, catalytic converters don't do squat for particulates, which is much of the acrid component of wood smoke. However, there are filters that have been developed for diesel engines that do a nice job of removing particulates without developing tremendous backpressures. I suspect something like that, in conjunction with a catalyst, is what is installed on modern woodburning stoves. Eric Lucas
From: lucasea on 7 Nov 2006 16:23
"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:a9ab8$4550d247$4fe756c$7863(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >> news:2991e$4550b10a$49ecf0b$7036(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> >>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote in message >>>>news:MPG.1fba72a27da2d087989ab3(a)news.individual.net... >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <4550A28F.B40C659F(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>In addition, people burn the wood that is laced with arsenic. >>>>>> >>>>>>What kind of wood is laced with arsenic ? >>>>> >>>>>CCA (chromated copper arsenic) pressure treated lumber normally >>>>>used for ground contact, decks and such. Anyone caught burning it >>>>>should be forced to emigrate to Europe. >>>> >>>> >>>>Production of this was made illegal in 2004 (I think, maybe earlier), >>>>but for quite a few months thereafter, they were selling off existing >>>>stocks. >>>> >>>>Anyone who burns lumber (any kind) for heat either has more money than >>>>sense, or has absolutely no money and is in survival mode. >>> >>>Even in healthy forests trees die out for a variety >>>of reasons. Retired and with a bad back I can't >>>handle the stuff, so I give it away to folks who >>>want it. Your ideas on who uses wood and why is >>>all wet. >> >> >> I didn't say "wood", I said "lumber". Do you know the difference? > > Now that I live in the country the difference has > become a matter of a few minutes of cutting. In > my township the difference, for most living here, > is nuance. Well, unless you happen to be making CCA pressure-treated lumber, it would be irrelevant to this conversation, wouldn't it? Eric Lucas |