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From: lucasea on 7 Nov 2006 16:24 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:6ead5$4550d2a7$4fe756c$7863(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >> news:e6db6$4550b23f$49ecf0b$7151(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> >>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>news:21f8a$4550ac39$49ecf0b$7036(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>> >>>> >>>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:87663$455065eb$4fe724c$5663(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Ken Smith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In article <92d5d$45506124$4fe724c$5573(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>>>>>>unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>[....] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>The extremists I think we really need to stop appeasing are the >>>>>>>>>>Religious Right and the Republicans who they are currently leading >>>>>>>>>>around by the nose. Tomorrow's our chance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Perhaps you're talking about the people who have and >>>>>>>>>maintain taditional American values. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What traditional American values would these be? There never was a >>>>>>>>golden age. It is a myth we all like to belive but if you look at >>>>>>>>the past you find the horrors of today plus some. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You know, the >>>>>>>>>folks who made America great in the first place! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Read up on Franklin. You will find that he and most of the others >>>>>>>>who made America great in the first place would make the religious >>>>>>>>right blanch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What you've done this morning in two posts is to disclose >>>>>>>the low esteem in which you hold people. You seem to have >>>>>>>some idea that the base element always prevails. >>>>>> >>>>>>Speaking for myself, not at all. I always hold out the hope that >>>>>>people can rise above their basest instincts of hatred and fear. It's >>>>>>just that every few years, we forget to keep a lookout for these >>>>>>things, and they take over. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>The facts are somewhat different. Each human exhibits some >>>>>>>degree of discontinuity in how they conduct their lives. >>>>>>>Franklin did manage to achieve some pretty significant >>>>>>>things, especially for someone whose first calling was >>>>>>>as a tradesman/printer. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uh...that was his point. That, and the fact that Franklin and many of >>>>>>the others who made this country great had no use for your BS about >>>>>>"traditional American values". >>>>> >>>>>It looks like you've once again purposely discounted >>>>>the fact that most humans exhibit discontinuities. >>>> >>>>Not at all. I'm well aware of it. >>>> >>>> >>>>>What >>>>>that means is he didn't always observe the values he >>>>>generally stood for. >>>> >>>>What, exactly, would be your evidence that he "stood for" the same BS >>>>values that you pomp on about? Everything I've read says he was a very >>>>down-to-earth guy. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Your posts continue to reek of hatred for your >>>>>fellow man. >>>> >>>>Not at all. I just the behavior of people that try to act better than >>>>me and tell me how to live my life. >>> >>>Ahhh, now it comes out, the jealousy card. Jumping up and down >>>with your hand in the air yelling "me too me too!" LOL >> >> >> What the hell are you on about now? >> >> >> >>>Get over your own insignificance. >> >> >> The only significance in which I hold myself is that I am capable of >> choosing how to live my own life, and will not allow anyone else to do >> that for me. To quote a wise man, "I yam what I yam." What about you? >> The only person with a lower fact:insult ratio than you in this thread is >> JoeBlow. > > Once again you have the ratio backwards. Oh, come on. Even your "partner" BAH has commented on your abysmal fact:insult ratio. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 7 Nov 2006 16:36 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:yK64h.264$GS2.53(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message > news:XZadneYn6_TkX83YRVnyrA(a)pipex.net... >> >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> news:BM14h.8314$B31.7002(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >>> >>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:eiq0h1$8qk_012(a)s900.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> In article <dGS3h.5355$7F3.3682(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, >>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>"krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote in message >>>>>news:MPG.1fb9bd1d862e8abb989ab0(a)news.individual.net... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dry wood burns very cleanly. >>>>>> >>>>>> It still stinks to hell. >>>>> >>>>>Not if you're using a good, modern wood stove, and good dry >>>>>(particularly >>>>>hard) wood. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I burn some in a fairly efficient stove, >>>>> >>>>>It's not just efficiency, it's also related to pollution control >>>>>devices. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> but unless there is a wind blowing it's a mess. It stinks if it's >>>>>> still, >>>>> >>>>>Not if you're using a good, modern wood stove, and good dry >>>>>(particularly >>>>>hard) wood. >>>> >>>> How do you make everybody do this? >>> >>> Why your desparate need to "make everybody do" things. Why not just let >>> them make their own decisions, and you make yours? >> >> Interesting observation. /BAH goes on about the problems with despot-led >> nations, freedom, democracy etc., yet as you point out here has this >> almost constant desire to make every one conform. >> >> I never noticed it before and I should have - her references to forcing >> freedom on people should have alerted me. >> >> Has doublespeak got to the point where we do indeed force people to >> freely choose the thing we want them to choose? > > I assume the buzzword "empowerment" made the rounds in the UK sometime in > the last 15 or so years.... I once had a boss tell me "you're empowered > to do whatever the hell I tell you to do." Sadly that has made its way across the water.... :-)
From: Eeyore on 7 Nov 2006 17:26 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > > >> Anyone who burns lumber (any kind) for heat either has more money than > >> sense, or has absolutely no money and is in survival mode. > > > > Even in healthy forests trees die out for a variety > > of reasons. Retired and with a bad back I can't > > handle the stuff, so I give it away to folks who > > want it. Your ideas on who uses wood and why is > > all wet. > > I didn't say "wood", I said "lumber". Do you know the difference? Even I know that and lumber's not even an English Word. These guys love their strawmen don't they ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 7 Nov 2006 17:30 T Wake wrote: > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > > I would put that differently. Every few years, the population gets tired > > of the smug and self-sanctimonious preachings of those who claim to be the > > arbiters of "traditional American values", and try to get our society to > > evolve in the direction of its citizens *thinking*, rather than reacting > > at a gut level to their prejudices and hatreds. And then the > > self-sanctimonious fear- and hate-mongers among us feel their grip on > > society slipping, and redouble their efforts to pander to the prejudices > > and basest emotions of the population--the "least common denominator", as > > it were. I don't expect it to stick this time either--but it's still > > worth trying. > > There is a strong undercurrent in the UK about "Traditional Values" - often > trumpeted by rightwing elements but not always. > > I don't know much about what is American Traditional Values, but the ones > alluded to here in the UK are little more than myth clung to by a people > scared of change. If people look at the real lifestyles and behaviour of > people in the golden age they allude to it would shock them rigid. Sadly, > they fixate on this "Traditional Value" from an imaginary age and bring it > out with moral force on a regular basis. (A UK newspaper capitalises on this > in its advertisements). > > Traditional Values generally equate to prejudice, fanciful thinking, hatred > and oppression. Nothing Western or Democratic about that. Don't forget the child prostitution. Graham
From: T Wake on 7 Nov 2006 17:42
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45510916.CE2F3C37(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> >> > I would put that differently. Every few years, the population gets >> > tired >> > of the smug and self-sanctimonious preachings of those who claim to be >> > the >> > arbiters of "traditional American values", and try to get our society >> > to >> > evolve in the direction of its citizens *thinking*, rather than >> > reacting >> > at a gut level to their prejudices and hatreds. And then the >> > self-sanctimonious fear- and hate-mongers among us feel their grip on >> > society slipping, and redouble their efforts to pander to the >> > prejudices >> > and basest emotions of the population--the "least common denominator", >> > as >> > it were. I don't expect it to stick this time either--but it's still >> > worth trying. >> >> There is a strong undercurrent in the UK about "Traditional Values" - >> often >> trumpeted by rightwing elements but not always. >> >> I don't know much about what is American Traditional Values, but the ones >> alluded to here in the UK are little more than myth clung to by a people >> scared of change. If people look at the real lifestyles and behaviour of >> people in the golden age they allude to it would shock them rigid. Sadly, >> they fixate on this "Traditional Value" from an imaginary age and bring >> it >> out with moral force on a regular basis. (A UK newspaper capitalises on >> this >> in its advertisements). >> >> Traditional Values generally equate to prejudice, fanciful thinking, >> hatred >> and oppression. Nothing Western or Democratic about that. > > Don't forget the child prostitution. Amongst other things. It amazes me how any one could want to go back to "Traditional Values..." Give me the dark ages any day compared to that! |