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From: lucasea on 7 Nov 2006 11:48 "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message news:e6db6$4550b23f$49ecf0b$7151(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >> news:21f8a$4550ac39$49ecf0b$7036(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> >>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>news:87663$455065eb$4fe724c$5663(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Ken Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In article <92d5d$45506124$4fe724c$5573(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>>>>unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>[....] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>The extremists I think we really need to stop appeasing are the >>>>>>>>Religious Right and the Republicans who they are currently leading >>>>>>>>around by the nose. Tomorrow's our chance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Perhaps you're talking about the people who have and >>>>>>>maintain taditional American values. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What traditional American values would these be? There never was a >>>>>>golden age. It is a myth we all like to belive but if you look at the >>>>>>past you find the horrors of today plus some. >>>>>> >>>>>>>You know, the >>>>>>>folks who made America great in the first place! >>>>>> >>>>>>Read up on Franklin. You will find that he and most of the others who >>>>>>made America great in the first place would make the religious right >>>>>>blanch. >>>>> >>>>>What you've done this morning in two posts is to disclose >>>>>the low esteem in which you hold people. You seem to have >>>>>some idea that the base element always prevails. >>>> >>>>Speaking for myself, not at all. I always hold out the hope that people >>>>can rise above their basest instincts of hatred and fear. It's just >>>>that every few years, we forget to keep a lookout for these things, and >>>>they take over. >>>> >>>>>The facts are somewhat different. Each human exhibits some >>>>>degree of discontinuity in how they conduct their lives. >>>>>Franklin did manage to achieve some pretty significant >>>>>things, especially for someone whose first calling was >>>>>as a tradesman/printer. >>>> >>>>Uh...that was his point. That, and the fact that Franklin and many of >>>>the others who made this country great had no use for your BS about >>>>"traditional American values". >>> >>>It looks like you've once again purposely discounted >>>the fact that most humans exhibit discontinuities. >> >> Not at all. I'm well aware of it. >> >>>What >>>that means is he didn't always observe the values he >>>generally stood for. >> >> What, exactly, would be your evidence that he "stood for" the same BS >> values that you pomp on about? Everything I've read says he was a very >> down-to-earth guy. >> >>>Your posts continue to reek of hatred for your >>>fellow man. >> >> Not at all. I just the behavior of people that try to act better than me >> and tell me how to live my life. > > Ahhh, now it comes out, the jealousy card. Jumping up and down > with your hand in the air yelling "me too me too!" LOL What the hell are you on about now? > Get over your own insignificance. The only significance in which I hold myself is that I am capable of choosing how to live my own life, and will not allow anyone else to do that for me. To quote a wise man, "I yam what I yam." What about you? The only person with a lower fact:insult ratio than you in this thread is JoeBlow. Eric Lucas
From: T Wake on 7 Nov 2006 12:19 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:hN24h.8332$B31.8212(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:e6db6$4550b23f$49ecf0b$7151(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>> news:21f8a$4550ac39$49ecf0b$7036(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>> >>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:87663$455065eb$4fe724c$5663(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Ken Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>In article <92d5d$45506124$4fe724c$5573(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>>>>>unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[....] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The extremists I think we really need to stop appeasing are the >>>>>>>>>Religious Right and the Republicans who they are currently leading >>>>>>>>>around by the nose. Tomorrow's our chance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Perhaps you're talking about the people who have and >>>>>>>>maintain taditional American values. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What traditional American values would these be? There never was a >>>>>>>golden age. It is a myth we all like to belive but if you look at >>>>>>>the past you find the horrors of today plus some. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You know, the >>>>>>>>folks who made America great in the first place! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Read up on Franklin. You will find that he and most of the others >>>>>>>who made America great in the first place would make the religious >>>>>>>right blanch. >>>>>> >>>>>>What you've done this morning in two posts is to disclose >>>>>>the low esteem in which you hold people. You seem to have >>>>>>some idea that the base element always prevails. >>>>> >>>>>Speaking for myself, not at all. I always hold out the hope that >>>>>people can rise above their basest instincts of hatred and fear. It's >>>>>just that every few years, we forget to keep a lookout for these >>>>>things, and they take over. >>>>> >>>>>>The facts are somewhat different. Each human exhibits some >>>>>>degree of discontinuity in how they conduct their lives. >>>>>>Franklin did manage to achieve some pretty significant >>>>>>things, especially for someone whose first calling was >>>>>>as a tradesman/printer. >>>>> >>>>>Uh...that was his point. That, and the fact that Franklin and many of >>>>>the others who made this country great had no use for your BS about >>>>>"traditional American values". >>>> >>>>It looks like you've once again purposely discounted >>>>the fact that most humans exhibit discontinuities. >>> >>> Not at all. I'm well aware of it. >>> >>>>What >>>>that means is he didn't always observe the values he >>>>generally stood for. >>> >>> What, exactly, would be your evidence that he "stood for" the same BS >>> values that you pomp on about? Everything I've read says he was a very >>> down-to-earth guy. >>> >>>>Your posts continue to reek of hatred for your >>>>fellow man. >>> >>> Not at all. I just the behavior of people that try to act better than >>> me and tell me how to live my life. >> >> Ahhh, now it comes out, the jealousy card. Jumping up and down >> with your hand in the air yelling "me too me too!" LOL > > What the hell are you on about now? Reading this, it seems unsettled has nothing to say in "response" other than to try and pidgeon hole you into one of his undesirable categories. Each time you fail to conform to one, another is tried. >> Get over your own insignificance. > > The only significance in which I hold myself is that I am capable of > choosing how to live my own life, and will not allow anyone else to do > that for me. To quote a wise man, "I yam what I yam." What about you? > The only person with a lower fact:insult ratio than you in this thread is > JoeBlow. Even then its a close call.
From: T Wake on 7 Nov 2006 12:24 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:u214h.8283$B31.4690(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:92d5d$45506124$4fe724c$5573(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>> "Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message >>> news:eip1jv$l49$2(a)blue.rahul.net... >>> >>>>In article <Au2dnWKEQ78ZLNLYRVnyvw(a)pipex.net>, >>>>T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:454FAB77.221D4C96(a)hotmail.com... >>>> >>>>[....] >>>> >>>>>>Nobody's appeasing anyone not suggesting they should do. >>>>> >>>>>unsettled (and those like him) have no case to put forward. As a result >>>>>they >>>>>have to rely on scare terms such as the ubiquitous "Nazi" reference, >>>>>mixed >>>>>in with what they view as cutting insults. >>>>> >>>>>How can you be an appeaser when there is no Nazi state to appease? >>>> >>>>There really is something that looks a lot like appeasing. Closing the >>>>Prince Sultan Airbase in 2003 sort of quacks like appeasement of the >>>>extremists. >>> >>> >>> The extremists I think we really need to stop appeasing are the >>> Religious Right and the Republicans who they are currently leading >>> around by the nose. Tomorrow's our chance. >> >> >> Perhaps you're talking about the people who have and >> maintain taditional American values. You know, the >> folks who made America great in the first place! >> The America that has been handed to you on a silver >> platter, in fact. >> >> I'm happy to appease them forever. Their ideology has >> withstood the test of time, while yours keeps failing >> only to be recycled by the next generation. > > I would put that differently. Every few years, the population gets tired > of the smug and self-sanctimonious preachings of those who claim to be the > arbiters of "traditional American values", and try to get our society to > evolve in the direction of its citizens *thinking*, rather than reacting > at a gut level to their prejudices and hatreds. And then the > self-sanctimonious fear- and hate-mongers among us feel their grip on > society slipping, and redouble their efforts to pander to the prejudices > and basest emotions of the population--the "least common denominator", as > it were. I don't expect it to stick this time either--but it's still > worth trying. There is a strong undercurrent in the UK about "Traditional Values" - often trumpeted by rightwing elements but not always. I don't know much about what is American Traditional Values, but the ones alluded to here in the UK are little more than myth clung to by a people scared of change. If people look at the real lifestyles and behaviour of people in the golden age they allude to it would shock them rigid. Sadly, they fixate on this "Traditional Value" from an imaginary age and bring it out with moral force on a regular basis. (A UK newspaper capitalises on this in its advertisements). Traditional Values generally equate to prejudice, fanciful thinking, hatred and oppression. Nothing Western or Democratic about that.
From: T Wake on 7 Nov 2006 12:24 <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:tb24h.8325$B31.2622(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:60919$4550aa97$49ecf0b$7006(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> >> You might also want to take a look at a wonderful, >> now somewhat dated, book _How to win friends and influence >> people_. > > Another irony meter bites the big one. Man, that post wrote off hundreds of irony meters over the world. It was a big one.
From: T Wake on 7 Nov 2006 12:26
<lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:sK24h.8331$B31.1340(a)newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:ea629$4550b166$49ecf0b$7036(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >>> news:60919$4550aa97$49ecf0b$7006(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>> >>>>You might also want to take a look at a wonderful, >>>>now somewhat dated, book _How to win friends and influence >>>>people_. >>> >>> >>> Another irony meter bites the big one. >> >> Well *you* would think so. I'm not working >> hard to convince anyone, but you seem to be. > > You really need to stop projecting your needs onto others. All I'm doing > is pointing out logical inconsistencies in this thread. And there are > *lots* of them. I don't really care what anyone else thinks. Once more the irony is thick. Unsettled uses little more than ad hominems and fear mongering bogeyman analogies - these only work if your goal is to convince others about your own legitimacy and the lack of legitimacy in your "opponent." He then has the cheek to say he isn't trying to convince anyone....... Brilliant. Still, his first post in this thread was that he had his opinion and was going to stick to it. At least that much has been true. |