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From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:09 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522D468.BC853C9A(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> > In article <452197A3.17CCE793(a)hotmail.com>, >> > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >> >> >> >>> "T Wake" writes: >> >>> >> >>> >The victory conditions are either nonsensical or nonachievable. Has >> >>> >any >> > "War >> >>> >on Terror" been won? >> >>> > >> >>> The term "War on Terror" is a misnomer. It really should be "The war >> >>> on Islamic extremism". Terror is just a tool. >> >> >> >>Obfuscation noted. >> >> >> >>So, are you saying it's possible to win a 'war on Islamic extremism' ? >> > >> > This mess is about changing a mindset; either Western civilization's >> > mindset is changed or religious extremists' mindset is changed. >> >> I agree completely. > > How about removing the either and replacing the or with and ? Also an option. Any one of those three will work. (simplistic examples) If westerners are more concerned with staying alive than having their freedoms eventually they will convert and the conflict will end. If the population in the Middle East become enticed by freedom and it's potential then the support for terrorists will dry up and the conflict will end. If both happens the conflict will end. (In an odd way though :-))
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:11 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522D4E1.7C69B28D(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote >> > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:01:40 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> >>John Fields wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> >> >>> >I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you >> >>> >really >> >>> >should be scared about. Not Islam generally. >> >>> >> >>> Probably _you_ should be afraid. I don't think they've forgotten >> >>> the Crusades yet. >> >> >> >>Afraid of what exactly ? >> > >> > Convert or die. >> >> Which is most important to you, your life or your way of life? > > Moot since it's never going to happen. Really? Every day your way of life is threatened - more so by our own country than any external threat. Do you intend to carry an ID card if they get brought in? What have you done to prevent the detention of suspects for 14 days without access to legal counsel? I am not asking should you convert which may well never happen. I am asking which is most important to you, your life or way of life.
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:17 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522DE51.EE67E06F(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > T Wake wrote: >> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> >> > T Wake wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Personally I think without 11 Sept 2001, the situation in NI would >> >> >> still be hostile. >> >> > >> >> > The timescale doesn't fit with that idea. >> >> >> >> Prior to the "GWOT" >> > >> > GWOT ? >> >> Global War on Terror. > > Which the Good Friday Agreement pre-dated by many years. Well, three. >> >> the hardliners were still strongly advocating armed >> >> conflict. Following the Declaration of War on Nebulous Concepts, Sinn >> >> Fein pulled out all the stops to turn peaceful. The emergence (and >> >> rise in >> >> >> activity) of splinter groups also supports this change. >> >> >> >> However, this is nothing but a personal opinion so I may be wrong. >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement >> > >> > Was the major turning point. >> >> Possibly. > > Definitely ! Not at all. The IRA still refused to allow decomissioning inspections. There were still shootings and punishment beatings in NI. Other than operations on the Mainland (which had tailed off a fair bit), things were close to normal until at least 2000. Even then it was no different from any of the other agreements Sinn Fein signed up to. >> There were numerous violations though. Generally speaking the IRA >> (and its splinter groups) tended to form agreements when it suited them >> and >> used the down time to retrain and rearm. As I said, this is all personal >> opinion, but based on the activities between 1998 - early 2001 I wouldn't >> have been surprised if a new campaign hadn't started. > > I would. Notably, the Catholic population of the North had made it clear > by > ballot that they were sick of the troubles. Which was important as it dried up a lot of the IRA support. However, the troubles were far from over. >> The reformation of Libya may have also been going on behind the scenes >> and >> without that source, the IRA were pretty much going to suffer. > > No. The IRA had a stockpile of weapons. They didn't actually need Libya at > all. Yes they did. Ammunition and training. Half the stockpiles were inaccessible to PIRA and it needed escape routes and bolt holes for its gun men. The IRA have always had stockpiles of weapons. Since 1916. In the seventies the were still using WWII tommy guns and schmissers.
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:19 "Homer J Simpson" <nobody(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message news:HRAUg.49766$E67.19008(a)clgrps13... > > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message > news:j-mdnR7jE_MQUr_YRVnyhw(a)pipex.net... > >> Not sure anyone has. Off the top of my head I cant think of any long term >> success against terrorists. > > British in Malaysia? > Yeah, it is the best one I can think of but I suspect the "long term" is the problem. Still terrorists at play in the area today. (Granted not Soviet supported ones!) The brunt of the success was down to a very successful hearts and minds campaign mixed with extreme violence. Luckily the media didn't have its current status so all the bad things were well enough hidden they didn't inflame the population...
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:20
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522DD27.7E5D6650(a)hotmail.com... > > > Homer J Simpson wrote: > >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote >> >> > Not sure anyone has. Off the top of my head I cant think of any long >> > term >> > success against terrorists. >> >> British in Malaysia? > > British in Kenya. > Same deal. There were some horrendous atrocities but they were far enough from the public eye to pass unnoticed for years. The hearts and minds with the population did the trick. |