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From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 17:21 T Wake wrote: > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > > In article <452197A3.17CCE793(a)hotmail.com>, > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> > >>> "T Wake" writes: > >>> > >>> >The victory conditions are either nonsensical or nonachievable. Has any > > "War > >>> >on Terror" been won? > >>> > > >>> The term "War on Terror" is a misnomer. It really should be "The war > >>> on Islamic extremism". Terror is just a tool. > >> > >>Obfuscation noted. > >> > >>So, are you saying it's possible to win a 'war on Islamic extremism' ? > > > > This mess is about changing a mindset; either Western civilization's > > mindset is changed or religious extremists' mindset is changed. > > I agree completely. How about removing the either and replacing the or with and ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 17:23 T Wake wrote: > "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:01:40 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >>John Fields wrote: > >>> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > > >>> >I see they mention the Muslim Brotherhood. They're the ppl you really > >>> >should be scared about. Not Islam generally. > >>> > >>> Probably _you_ should be afraid. I don't think they've forgotten > >>> the Crusades yet. > >> > >>Afraid of what exactly ? > > > > Convert or die. > > Which is most important to you, your life or your way of life? Moot since it's never going to happen. Graham
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 17:29 John Fields wrote: > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:27:54 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> writes: > >> > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > >> >>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote > >> >>> --- > >> >>> So what? With world domonation as its goal, one would expect it > >> >>> would strike world-wide, as the opportunity arose. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Whose goal? "It" isn't really appropriate to define the long term aims of a > >> >>disparate group of organisations. Are "they" trying to dominate the world or > >> >>destroy western society or convert every one or... > >> > > >> >--- > >> >"It" being radical Islam, the goal, in my opinion, would be to > >> >convert everyone to Islam and have them be subject to control by > >> >Muslim jurists, the goal being total world domination by Islam. > >> > > >> >Refusal to convert would result in death. > >> > >> No, not quite. True about the part of world domination, not about the > >> other one. Islam recognizes two categories of non-believers. One is > >> "polytheists" for whom, indeed, the accepted options are conversion or > >> death. The other is "Um al_Kitab", meaning "Nations of the Book", > >> which includes Christians and Jews. These may be allowed to live > >> without converting but only as "dhimmi" (you may check on this term). > >> Meaning, second class subjects, possessing the (limited) rights > >> granted them by their Muslim rulers, with the stipulation that said > >> rights may be withdrawn at the whim of the rulers. > > > >Until such time as Muslims exist in sufficient numbers the point is utterly moot. > > No, it's not. Yes it is. > What we're discussing We ? Which we is this ? > is Islamic law and its ramifications, not the > number of Muslims required to overrun a non-Muslim society to the > point where you're given the choice to either convert or die. Fine. So I'm never going to have the problem. Hence it's moot. Graahm
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 17:32 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > >> Ahmadinejad hasn't made the mistake of genocide like Saddam did, he's > >> just not very popular. > > > > How did he get elected then ? > > The glib answer is "Just like Bush." Look at how popular *he* is. > > The honest answer is, I don't know. I have to admit I'm not familiar with > the workings of the Iranian government. What I do know of the situation > comes from the writings of several scholars of the Middle East, who, to a > man, say that Ahmadinejad is not popular with his constituency, and will be > gone presently if we don't stir the pot too much. I agree about not stirring the pot. He was popularly elected though. Probably because Bush had pissed off lots of Iranians with the axis of evil business. Graham
From: Homer J Simpson on 3 Oct 2006 17:45
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message news:j-mdnR7jE_MQUr_YRVnyhw(a)pipex.net... > Not sure anyone has. Off the top of my head I cant think of any long term > success against terrorists. British in Malaysia? |