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From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 18:33 John Fields wrote: > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:05:58 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >John Fields wrote: > >> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:55:44 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >> >John Fields wrote: > >> > >> >> You're not, you're just a coward who's afraid to go out and do > >> >> the bombing you'd really like to. > >> > > >> >Don't be so absurd. It sems you can only relate to violent ideas. > >> > >> --- > >> Not at all true, but when I read your violent rhetoric I like to > >> translate it into visuals which depict what you'd like to do if you > >> weren't afraid of the reprisals. > > > >Show where I have espoused violence. > > --- > I recall you said that you have nukes which you'd use to repel > invading Muslims. That's pretty violent in my book. I said no such thing. Nor do I expect any invasion ! What a crackpot idea. > But read it again, genius. It says: "when I read your violent > rhetoric". Do you deny that your rhetoric is violent? There is no violence there at all. > >The only violently inclined ppl in this thread > >are yourself, Thompson and Terrell. Violent even to the point of making personal > >threats. > > --- > Show where I made a personal threat. Can you not read ? 'even to' doesn't have to include you. Graham
From: Homer J Simpson on 3 Oct 2006 18:34 "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:5cn5i2tfs8dhlbmarcltqii1bgcrggt3ou(a)4ax.com... >>Heck, even the UK sold arms to the Idonesians. Jet fighters in fact. >> >>That the US public could get so worked up over a minor sexual indiscretion >>yet >>not give a damn about killing tens of thousands of foreigners is very >>telling >>and a very depressing comment on the state of US society. > You pay _way_ too much attention to the media. What does Joe Sixpack pay attention to?
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:36 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522E42B.F30916BC(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > T Wake wrote: >> >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> >> > T Wake wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> The same reason unthinking Muslims support groups considered >> >> >> terrorist >> >> >> by the west. >> >> > >> >> > Is Hezbollah a terrorist organisation ? >> >> >> >> If you are asking my opinion..... then yes. A nasty, ruthless one. >> >> However sometimes terrorists seem to come in from the cold. >> > >> > How do you account for its presence as a political party with elected >> > members and its welfare schemes ? >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah >> >> As I said, sometimes terrorists come in from the cold. They are an >> organisation dedicated to the overthrow of another state through terror >> based tactics. As I said, my personal opinion is that they are >> terrorists. >> >> I am sure the locals they support do not hold the same view. > > So, if such an organisation shows the signs of coming in the the cold > should > that not be encouraged ? > Well, depends on your perspective. The easy answer is yes. Get them on side and convert them into a sovereign nation which can exist in the world and stop their bombings. Makes sense. However it has two stumbling blocks. First off, how do you get the "victims" of their attacks to sit back when they wouldn't sit back. As with GFA, we now let terrorist murders back out onto the streets - how do you think the families who lost people should react? Terrorism feeds itself with the vicious circle and there is no clear cut reason as to which side should give up first. Secondly, you risk encouraging others. For example the only possible official diplomatic standpoints you can hold with terrorists (or kidnappers etc) is no negotiation. As soon as you negotiate, more join in. By letting one group bomb you to the negotiating table it implies to the others that as long as they can hold out and kill enough of "you," eventually you will join them in talks. From a personal opinion, Hezbollah are genuine scum who despite current appearances should continue to be treated as terrorists. Sadly, their enemy state only exists because the west gave in to terrorists so they (may) feel if they go long enough they can get it as well.
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 18:37 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> > > >> >> Ahmadinejad hasn't made the mistake of genocide like Saddam did, he's > >> >> just not very popular. > >> > > >> > How did he get elected then ? > >> > >> The glib answer is "Just like Bush." Look at how popular *he* is. > >> > >> The honest answer is, I don't know. I have to admit I'm not familiar > >> with > >> the workings of the Iranian government. What I do know of the situation > >> comes from the writings of several scholars of the Middle East, who, to a > >> man, say that Ahmadinejad is not popular with his constituency, and will > >> be gone presently if we don't stir the pot too much. > > > > I agree about not stirring the pot. > > > > He was popularly elected though. Probably because Bush had pissed off lots > > of Iranians with the axis of evil business. > > His election was heavily assisted by the Religious leaders though... Do you have any cite for that ? My understanding was that his electoral success was a surprise to most observers. Graham
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:37
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522E3AB.295F96FA(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: >> >> T Wake wrote: >> >> > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> >> >> T Wake wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> The same reason unthinking Muslims support groups considered >> >> >>> terrorist by the west. >> >> >> >> >> >> Is Hezbollah a terrorist organisation ? >> >> > >> >> > If you are asking my opinion..... then yes. A nasty, ruthless one. >> >> > However >> >> > sometimes terrorists seem to come in from the cold. >> >> >> >> That's the point at which they've won. >> > >> > Looks like they won in that case. >> >> Do you count Hizbullah as a terrorist organisation? > > I don't see a clear cut black and white case either way quite frankly. Fair one. Which side of the fence do you put them on a a personal opinion? > The Turkish Gov't has a similar problem with the KDP. Also Terrorists. |