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From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:03 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522D6EC.2E337BC7(a)hotmail.com... > > > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: >> > >> >> Ahmadinejad hasn't made the mistake of genocide like Saddam did, he's >> >> just not very popular. >> > >> > How did he get elected then ? >> >> The glib answer is "Just like Bush." Look at how popular *he* is. >> >> The honest answer is, I don't know. I have to admit I'm not familiar >> with >> the workings of the Iranian government. What I do know of the situation >> comes from the writings of several scholars of the Middle East, who, to a >> man, say that Ahmadinejad is not popular with his constituency, and will >> be >> gone presently if we don't stir the pot too much. > > I agree about not stirring the pot. > > He was popularly elected though. Probably because Bush had pissed off lots > of > Iranians with the axis of evil business. His election was heavily assisted by the Religious leaders though...
From: Eeyore on 3 Oct 2006 18:04 T Wake wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> > T Wake wrote: > >> > > >> >> Personally I think without 11 Sept 2001, the situation in NI would > >> >> still be hostile. > >> > > >> > The timescale doesn't fit with that idea. > >> > >> Prior to the "GWOT" > > > > GWOT ? > > Global War on Terror. Which the Good Friday Agreement pre-dated by many years. > >> the hardliners were still strongly advocating armed > >> conflict. Following the Declaration of War on Nebulous Concepts, Sinn > >> Fein pulled out all the stops to turn peaceful. The emergence (and rise in > > >> activity) of splinter groups also supports this change. > >> > >> However, this is nothing but a personal opinion so I may be wrong. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement > > > > Was the major turning point. > > Possibly. Definitely ! > There were numerous violations though. Generally speaking the IRA > (and its splinter groups) tended to form agreements when it suited them and > used the down time to retrain and rearm. As I said, this is all personal > opinion, but based on the activities between 1998 - early 2001 I wouldn't > have been surprised if a new campaign hadn't started. I would. Notably, the Catholic population of the North had made it clear by ballot that they were sick of the troubles. > The reformation of Libya may have also been going on behind the scenes and > without that source, the IRA were pretty much going to suffer. No. The IRA had a stockpile of weapons. They didn't actually need Libya at all. Graham
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:05 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522D398.A4B5D680(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> The key is removing the lifeblood of the terrorists. Without this, it >> will >> never end. > > Their lifeblood is quite simply injustices ( real or perceived ). Can you > remove > them ? It isn't always their lifeblood and if you don't the conflict will last for eternity. You can disable a terrorist group by stopping the local people from supporting them. This is where removing the perception of injustice comes from. Look at the [expletive deleted] from Leeds who blew up the underground. For them to function there has to be places where they can exist and move about. Educate people that these are not "Fighting for a cause" and you make it a little bit harder for them. Educate people that they (bombers) are evil criminals and you make it harder yet. Alternatively you could put every mosque under armed guard and provide them with no end of support.... :-)
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:06 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522D3CF.BF467A4F(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> If we stick to the WWII analogy, >> the French resistance were certainly terrorists > > More like insurgents in fact. In my lexicon there is no difference ;-)
From: T Wake on 3 Oct 2006 18:07
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4522D419.2B6D8D41(a)hotmail.com... > > > T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote >> > John Fields wrote: >> >> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:50:11 +0100, Eeyore wrote: >> >> >mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote: >> >> >> "T Wake" writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >The victory conditions are either nonsensical or nonachievable. >> >> >> >Has >> >> >> >any "War >> >> >> >on Terror" been won? >> >> >> > >> >> >> The term "War on Terror" is a misnomer. It really should be "The >> >> >> war >> >> >> on Islamic extremism". Terror is just a tool. >> >> > >> >> >Obfuscation noted. >> >> > >> >> >So, are you saying it's possible to win a 'war on Islamic extremism' >> >> >? >> >> >> >> --- >> >> We won the one on German extremism so who's to say it's not possible >> >> to win this one? >> > >> > The Nazi party was genuinely popular. >> >> In the Early Days, then when popularity showed signs of wavering the >> "Enemy" >> appeared. > > Eh ? The Nazi party propaganda blamed the economic crisis on the Jews etc. This helped to shore up popular support for the government and ensure that all manner of draconian legislation could be brought in to what was previously a free and democratic society. >> Labour party.... >> >> Scarily, they are a socialist party which have grown strong nationalistic >> tendencies.... >> >> (OK, I will stop now. I will probably even vote Labour at the next >> election....) > > You think labour is Socialist ???? Yes. |