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From: Eeyore on 19 Nov 2006 03:40 unsettled wrote: > Phineas T Puddleduck wrote: > > > In article <acb5$455f9cf1$49ecf66$14693(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > > About the long waiting time for council housing in the > UK these days was snipped > > >>That's nice. So people on the waiting list camp out in > >>the park or something? LOL > > > No, normally either expected to stay with parents/friends or in hostels > > paid for by the DSS. And your point is? > > The point under discussion is that they get to live in > subsidized housing. So where's the incentive for people > that poor to work hard, save money, and buy a house of > their own? The 5 or more years they have to wait ? Certainly the cost of housing round here is so high it's priced out of the reach of most ppl on an average wage never mind minimum wage anyway. Graham
From: Eeyore on 19 Nov 2006 03:45 Jamie wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > unsettled wrote: > > > >>Not really. The minimum bandwidth necessary for > >>ordinary POTS phone service isn't sufficient to > >>support DSL and in much of the US DSL is not > >>available. > > > > > > DSL works just fine over good old fashioned twisted pairs. For quite some > > distance too. It was found necessary to remove an old RF filter on my line when > > it went to 8Mbps though ! > > > > ADSL2 when implemented should be good for ~ 20Mbps where I live. > > http://www.internode.on.net/adsl2/graph/index.htm > > > > Graham > > Goes to show how much you know about DSL services. That really shouldn't > surprise me how ever. What's your point ? It seems you have none. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSLAM A Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer (DSLAM) allows telephone lines to make faster connections to the Internet. It is a network device, usually located at a telephone company central office, that connects multiple customer Digital Subscriber Line (DSL)s to a high-speed backbone line using multiplexing techniques. Path taken by data to DSLAM located in the CO Residential/commercial source: DSL modem plugged into the customer's computer. local loop: the telephone company wires from a customer to the telephone company's central office, often called the "last mile". Main Distribution Frame (MDF): a wiring rack that connects outside lines with internal lines. It is used to connect public or private lines coming into the building to internal networks. In a telco central office, the MDF is generally in proximity to the cable vault and not far from the telephone switch. DSLAM: a central office device for DSL service. Sending on the customer or downstream side, it intermixes voice traffic and DSL traffic onto the customer's DSL line. Receiving on that side, it accepts and separates incoming phone and data signals from the customer. It directs the data signals upstream towards the appropriate carrier's network, and the phone signals towards the voice switch. From the CO DSLAM the telephone wires, now cleansed of DSL signals, go through the MDF again to the voice switch so the customer will have dial tone phone service. Old-fashioned voice signals pass between voice switch and subscriber line through DSLAM, which does not disturb them but adds a higher frequency signal to carry data for Internet service Customers connect to the DSLAM through DSL modems or DSL routers, which are connected to the PSTN network via typical unshielded twisted pair telephone lines. Graham
From: Ben Newsam on 19 Nov 2006 05:40 On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:05:17 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >unsettled wrote: > >> T Wake wrote: >> > >> > The reality is, living on minimum wage, it is impossible for "them" with all >> > the planning and good intentions in the world. >> >> Rags to riches is a common enough a theme in the USA. >> >> I can see why a socialist Brit like you would think >> the way you do. Why bother buying when a Council house >> is available so cheaply. > >Council houses ( social housing for those not common with the term ) are not easy >to come by these days. Also, council housing, though cheapish, is not subsidised, contrary to popular assumption. Grants available to the landlord for renovations are available to private owners too.
From: Ben Newsam on 19 Nov 2006 05:37 On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:45:16 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Customers connect to the DSLAM through DSL modems or DSL routers, which are connected >to the PSTN network via typical unshielded twisted pair telephone lines. Indeed. When I got ADSL connected, they used my POTS wire, and I get nearly 2Mb on a good day. My old ISDN box is still physically connected to a different wire, but sits there dead.
From: Ben Newsam on 19 Nov 2006 05:41
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:54:00 -0600, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >You guys hang around with a lot of poor folk, do you? LOL Whereas you brush yours under the carpet, and you have far more than we do. |