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From: |||newspam||| on 21 Nov 2006 04:24 unsettled wrote: > Ken Smith wrote: > > In article <MPG.1fcae9c9199518f8989c01(a)news.individual.net>, > > krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > > > >>In article <ejqve0$fgo$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net > >>says... > >> > >>>In article <6af58$455ba5ff$4fe75f7$20998(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > >>>unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>>[.....] > >>> > >>>>The original error starts with you two clowns failing to > >>>>appreciate that capitalism has a soul. > >>> > >>>(Boggle) Capitalism is a cold hard logical system. > >>> > >>> > >>>>To define a term > >>>>"fair profit" isn't beyond the capacity of capitalism to > >>>>embrace freely and without external (read governmental) > >>>>imposition. > >>> > >>>It is beyond the capacity of capitalism to define what "fair profit" > >>>really means. > >> > >>Nonsense! Capitalism perfectly defines what is fair; did someone > >>pay the fair market value? If so, it is by *definition* fair. If > >>not it is not "fair". There is no "fair" market price. There is only the price that one particular individual is willing to pay for the specific goods or services. If you want some fun try comparing how much you have paid for an airline seat on a scheduled flight with your neighbours. And don't get too upset if you find that one of them has paid half what you did for the same journey and ticket. Willing seller willing buyer. If you don't like the price you are not compelled to buy it. > > No, there are situations where the market does not work. Drugs are an > > example. You do not have the choice of going with a different drug if > > only the patented one will save your life and you don't have the option of > > waiting. That makes the market is not free since you are under duress. > > False dilemma. We only have an occasional small possibility or > probability that one drug will save your life to the exclusion > of all others. Perhaps a more general concrete example is appropriate: FOOD (or even faster acting potable WATER) The great Irish potato famine of 1845-49 was a powerful example of how vested interests in unfettered free markets were exporting plenty of food from a starving Ireland to maximise their profits. The poor could not pay the market rate and were left to starve to death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Potato_Famine Hard liners these days call it a genocide, but it really was more along the lines of cold rationality of the market and an out of sight out of mind attitude to their suffering. Letting the free market run its course for the benefit of the big landowners without hindrance. When they did try to do something to alleviate the situation it was too little and far too late. > > No, you have suggested that the market will deal with it. It doesn't. > > How do you propose to solve the problem? There are lots of things that > > the market doesn't do well. For those we form governments. You can have > > tyranny in many forms. One is where corporations control everything. > > Is that an actual threat in the US today? It is getting close or you would not have so many worried looking politicians waiting for a knock on the door after the lobbyist Abramoff was jailed for 6 years. He might get a few years off if he spills the beans on all those he so easily corrupted. America certainly has the best politicians that money (or other less traceable favours) can buy. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/14/lobbyist.probe.ap/index.html Regards, Martin Brown
From: hill on 21 Nov 2006 06:15 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Winfield Hill wrote: >> Winfield Hill wrote: >>> >>> 4200 postings and still going strong. Amazing. >> >> Wow, now 7200 posts and still going strong. And most >> of the posts were under the original subject title. This >> must be some kind of a record. Certainly it's a stress >> test for the Google Groups web-page display code, etc. > > Never have so many, said so much, about so little! ;-) > > I heard of one long flame war that passed 10K posts, > but I never found out which newsgroup. We passed 9000 on the 14th, and are now within 100 posts of 10,000. Keep up the good work guys, you can do it!
From: jmfbahciv on 21 Nov 2006 07:37 In article <45627A74.E0CC0567(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >krw wrote: > >> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... >> > krw wrote: >> > > lparker(a)emory.edu says... >> > > > krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >WallMart offers medical insurance. >> > > > >> > > > With premiums and deductibles such that people with a wife and kids cannot >> > > > afford it. >> > > >> > > They aren't all that bad, considering the costs of health care. >> > > There are priorities in life. Some have theirs screwed up. >> > >> > An NHS means that no-one gets it screwed up. >> >> s/no-one/everyone/ >> >> I know the Europeons have no concept of self-reliance, but some of >> us escapees of your stupid crown still do! > >You haven't even the tiniest clue what you're talking about. He does. This is a difference in the mindset of Americans and Europeans. I've been playing with the idea that Europeans have a reliance on authority because their background is kinships. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 21 Nov 2006 07:39 In article <456238CF.B7D7AA50(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> I have >> replacement windows. This means that a frame and window was >> built inside the house's window frame. The last wind storm >> had two of them providing very fresh air into the house. So >> I expended five caulk containers on the outside and took >> the windows apart to the point that the gaps between the >> two frames were exposed. I then stuffed more of that sponge >> stuff around the inner frame. >> >> The traffic is not as loud as it was. > >They were incompetently fitted in that case. Perhaps. It is also possible that the original sponge stuff shifted. It was certainly true that the inside caulking deteriorated a bit. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 21 Nov 2006 07:41
In article <ejsl9k$9gs$12(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >In article <ejs81b$8qk_001(a)s952.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>In article <ejr4o4$k7c$3(a)blue.rahul.net>, >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>In article <ejhpc1$8qk_001(a)s938.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>In article <ejckm3$mf9$1(a)blue.rahul.net>, >>>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>>>In article <ejcg0c$8ss_016(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >>>>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>[.....] >>>>>>I see the consequences just fine. Forcing, by law, everyone >>>>>>to have insurance is the latest idiocy. >>>>> >>>>>If you are going to have an insurance based system and not let the dead >>>>>bodies of those without insurance clutter the streets, you really need to >>>>>make sure everyone has insurance. If you don't then an irresponsible >>>>>fraction of society can become a burden on the rest. >>>> >>>>The same problems will still exist. >>> >>>No, the irresponsible people will not longer be a burden. >>> >>> >>>> So everybody has a piece >>>>of paper that says "insurance". That will not create any >>>>infrastructure needed to deliver the services. >>> >>>Agreed but if you wish to hang onto an insurance based system rather than >>>a NHS like system, this is a completely seperate problem. >> >>I don't want either. Insurance should be only for extraordinary >>circumstances. Instead what we have is a "insurance" that is >>expected to pay for everything. As a result, it does pay for >>everything and becomes a Ponzi scheme. >> > >My employer offers both -- an insurance plan with low premiums and very high >deductibles and copays (and so for extraordinary circumstances) and one with >higher premiums and lower deductibles anc copays (and thus pays for more >routine things). Choice is good. Choice is very good. An NHS will eliminate choice. Watch the politics and administrations of Massachusetts' latest brain fart. We'll see what methods the politico social workers use to force all of us to have insurance. /BAH |