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From: unsettled on 22 Nov 2006 13:29 T Wake wrote: > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:ek1ggp$8qk_002(a)s853.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > >>In article <dda7f$4563154a$4fe70e2$8284(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>>In article <681b1$45630847$4fe7571$7927(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >><snip - cleanup> >> >>>>>>Of course! All houses shift and creak and swell and shrink and >>>>>>react to the seasons. >>>>> >>>>>Most of the European and Brit construction I've seen >>>>>involves masonry. They have no appreciation for the >>>>>wood frame construction that makes up the bulk of >>>>>US housing, let alone advantages and disadvantages. >>>> >>>> >>>>But that doesn't explain it. They have to repoint masonry >>>>in order to keep up maintenance. Their cracks are bigger >>>>than mine ever will be. >>> >>> >>>They don't have nearly the extent and depth of freezing >>>in the UK that we experience. >> >>Point! I forgot about the freezing bit. I thought it >>got cold in the UK. Ireland was very cold and damp. > > > No, it never drops below 27 degrees centigrade over here. We never see snow. Nonsense, of course, but what to expect from Wake. Wherever you go, there you are, kook, kookfights, and all.
From: Eeyore on 22 Nov 2006 13:38 Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:03:42 +0000, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >unsettled wrote: > > > >> NHS has not > >> yet withstood the test of time. Wake me up in a few more > >> decades. > > > >60 years is enough to prove the point imho. > > > >Graham > > What all this discussion shows is how any excuse is found/made, by > some US folks, for not doing something that has been working pretty > well for a very large number of people and for keeping a system that > most people WITHIN it as practicing clinicians seem to agree is "in > crisis" here. > > Bizarre. I agree. And what would another say 20 years prove that 60 haven't already ? It just sounds like an excuse for delay to me. Graham
From: T Wake on 22 Nov 2006 14:10 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejuug2$8qk_001(a)s861.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <eju17q$9su$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, > kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: <snip some nonsense> >> This is much less than an >>insurance company. I am sure that part of the reason that both Canada and >>the UK pay less for "health care" is because their governments require a >>smaller overhead than the 20% of the US insurance companies. The 20% >>alone isn't enough to explain it because they actually pay about 60% not >>80% of what the US pays. > > They pay "less" because 1. less is provided Incorrect. > 2. it a monopoly and > can coerce medical suppliers to discount their prices. Also incorrect. The NHS is not a monopoly. In the UK there is patient choice. You may not be aware of this, but it exists. > Let us take the latter. Those companies have to recoup their > costs or they go out of business. At the moment, the US is > paying. What will the rest of you in this world do if the > US stops paying the costs of development by also limiting > prices? Your analogy is based on a false assumption. The NHS has massive purchasing power. This is capitalist market economics at work. >> >>> It is a much >>>larger organization and it has to soothe political feathers. The >>>politics is the number one goal. >> >>Keeping the voters happy is the goal. > > Apparently all the politicians have to do is waft hot air at > them. Normally yes, when it comes to medical care people tend to be a bit more involved. >> In the insurance case it is keeping >>the shareholders happy that is the goal. The NHS is a very bad system but >>nearly as bad as all the other options. > > NHS is a social system. It will eventually deteriorate as all social > systems do. Did you mean to say socialist here with your attempt at another strawman? <snip>
From: T Wake on 22 Nov 2006 14:12 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ek1g07$8qk_001(a)s853.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <ejv2k6$vbq$5(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >>In article <ejuug2$8qk_001(a)s861.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>>NHS is a social system. It will eventually deteriorate as all social >>>systems do. >>>> >> >>Society is a social system. Civilization is a social system. > > Yes. To thrive requires innovation and trade. If the trade > stagnates, it takes less than 50 years to cease to exist. > Think about it. Trade routes become unsafe so trade rapidly > becomes a local activity. New ideas never move out of the > neighborhood. This new knowledge can disappear with one > flu bug. What you have written here, apart from being based on arbitrary numbers (as is often the case) is not relevant to your claim about the NHS. You are going to a tangent from a tangent here.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 22 Nov 2006 14:21
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > In article <45638C91.511F38F8(a)earthlink.net>, > "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >krw wrote: > > > >> > >> Why? McDonalds pays real money. They offer real benefits. Why > >> wouldn't kids learn how to handle money by being employed? It's > >> certainly better than learning to live off the government! > > > > > > A kid I know has just finished a year working at a Wendy's > >restaurant. He has bought a used pickup truck, and a used motorcycle. He > >helps support his disabled mother, and he only graduated from high > >school, earlier this year. He has matured a lot in the past year, > >something that the demented donkey really should try. > > > > The first couple months he was wasting his money, > > Everybody goes through this stage, I think. > > > but that changed > >fairly fast. His talk of a fancy stereo system, and other useless toys > >is gone, and he is trying to save some money for his future. > > Good for him. I hope he finds something that he would pay his > employer so he can do the work. > > /BAH He is trying to get a construction job with a small contractor as their go-fer. The pay is about the same, but he will work the same hours every day, instead of closing the restaurant one night, and opening it the next morning. I am teaching him to repair and upgrade computers, so that he will have a second set of skills to look for work with, when he gets tired of the construction work. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |