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From: Eeyore on 25 Nov 2006 03:40 lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > > Lloyd Parker wrote: > >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >>>Ken Smith wrote: > >>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>How many communist economies exist worldwide ? > >>>> > >>>>Zero if you round off to the nearest whole number. > >>> > >>>Maggot brain misspeaks again. China, Cuba, North Korea, > >>>and VietNam spring immediately to mind. > >> > >> China and Vietnam are quite capitalistic. North Korea isn't communist as > >> much as autocratic, more like czarist Russia than the USSR. So you've > >> got one, Cuba. > > > > I don't understand how you folks have managed to > > lose touch with the realities. I have 3: > > > > "In the 1990s a program of share-holding and greater > > market orientation went into effect; however, state > > enterprises continue to dominate many key industries > > in China's 'socialist market economy.'" > > Hmm.... that says "socialist". You claimed "communist". Do you understand > the difference, or do you just know that you grew up using both "socialist" > and "communist" as pejorative names, not really understanding what either > actually is? Nice basis for a discussion of an economic proposition. I doubt that unsettled knows or cares about the difference. He knows what he doesn't like ( sorry.... what he's been told not to like ) and he's sticking with it. A great example of programming if ever I saw one. Graham
From: JoeBloe on 25 Nov 2006 05:50 On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:38:32 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >> > >> >In Canada, the provinces are really about as independant as the states in >> >the US. >> >> Isn't Canada also under the UK? > >Canada's an independent country now ! I has been for some time in fact. > >Graham Do you mean to tell me that the Queen's visage is no longer on their coins?! Oh my!
From: JoeBloe on 25 Nov 2006 05:51 On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 17:57:14 +0000 (UTC), kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) Gave us: >In article <HZidnczurMtWkvrYnZ2dnUVZ8tmdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >[....] >>Bit like saying that because the Irish Republicans spent thirty years >>bombing the UK, any political party with "Republican" in its name supports >>terrorism, violence and non-political methods of forcing people to obey it. >> >>Well, is that the case? > >A fairly good argument could be made if you assume: > >"shock and aw" == terrorism >war == violence >war == "nonpolitical methods" > >You should have picked a better example. The word is AWE, you dipshit. You should have picked an example that you at least know the spelling of.
From: T Wake on 25 Nov 2006 06:52 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4567FF01.3954B6E4(a)hotmail.com... > > > krw wrote: > >> rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... >> > krw wrote: >> > > rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com says... >> > > > krw wrote: >> > > > > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net says... >> > > > > > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote in message >> > > > > > > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> Once again, I'll ask you to think about administering your >> > > > > > >> NHS to all of Europe. That is how the US has to work. >> > > > > > >> We essentially 50 countries, each has its own politics, >> > > > > > >> economy >> > > > > > >> and different priority lists. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is a shame you have such a low opinion of the American >> > > > > > > people. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > It's also quite a shame that she has such a lack of >> > > > > > understanding of the US >> > > > > > Constitution, to think that no national program is possible. >> > > > > > There are >> > > > > > plenty of national programs in the US, and they work fine. >> > > > > >> > > > > All (not operated through the states) are unconstitutional, as >> > > > > well. None come close to 17% of the GNP either, though you'd >> > > > > likely be all for nationalizing the oil companies too. >> > > > >> > > > What would be the point of that ? >> > > >> > > It makes as much sense as nationalizing health care; none. Why >> > > don't you nationalize food production while you're at it? >> > >> > Who said anything about nationalisation ? >> >> What exactly do you think *NATIONALIZED* Health Care is? >> >> Dumb donkey! > > The NHS *does not* nationalise all health care. It strikes me that some people in this subthread are unable to tell the difference between "National" and "Nationalised" and every time they see one of the words it triggers the knee-jerk "socialism = bad" response. Explaining that a "National" Health Service is a service which provides health care nation wide on the basis of medical need not ability to pay seems to be falling on deaf ears. I wonder how they react to the national guard....
From: T Wake on 25 Nov 2006 07:03
<lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:_OO9h.6330$yf7.450(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... > > "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message > news:b9d31$4567109f$4fe76e5$31662(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >>T Wake wrote: >> >>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:45665D70.AA196620(a)hotmail.com... >>> >>>> >>>>unsettled wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I don't accept that the US healthcare system is such a >>>>>disaster as several claim it is. >>>> >>>>I'm sure it's great for ppl who don't get ill. >>> >>> >>> Funny thing is, most of the proponents of the NHS _haven't_ said the US >>> health care system is a disaster as such - just that introducing an NHS >>> system would be better. >>> >>> /BAH is a good example of an odd one out - she rants about how bad the >>> US system is but any thing which changes it will just make it even worse >>> (often for random reasons) >> >> You've failed completely to understand her point. >> >> Her view is that for ordinary medical care there >> should be no insurance. There should be insurance >> in cases where medical care becomes financially >> catestrophic for median income people. >> >> This would keep routine and ordinary medical care >> affordable to everyone. That's pretty much how things >> were when she and I were kids. > > Ahh, the good-old-days argument. Well, you might be interested to know > that, in those halcyon days, doctors didn't make more than 10X the > national average income. Things have changed since then, and in ways that > we cannot go back. But the, you've got yours, so why should you care if > anyone else gets proper care? > The argument is particularly strange when you think *they* are expecting doctors to revert to much lower pay to provide a vital service, while the rest of the nation steams along towards the capitalist dream. If the average person had remained able to pay for health care, people wouldn't have flocked to insurance schemes. I am sure that at some point in the rose tinted past, it was possible for people to afford all their medical needs on a median income, however in the time since then the great Capitalist system has drastically changed things. Drugs cost more, service costs more, the rent for the doctors surgery costs more (etc). These costs have obviously gone beyond the rate at which "average Joe" has seen his pay rise and now it is generally not possible to afford health care. This is doesn't even consider the fact that with the increased life expectancy people now suffer from a raft of new illnesses. I am sure unsettled and /BAH have an idea how to revert to the time when Pleasantville was still black and white, but I cant think of any way of doing it in a democratic, capitalist, system. Sure they could force price caps and the like but that stinks of communism. Anyway, it would be interesting to see if either of them are actually able to suggest a better alternative than a nationwide health care service run by the government, funded from taxes which provides an acceptable level of health care to all. |