From: Ken Smith on
In article <ep2b2c$8ss_007(a)s898.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote:
[....]
>>><snort> Riiiight.
>>
>>You need to get some facts.
>
>So do you. If there is no unemployment on the books, then those
>illegals wouldn't be coming in to do the work for lower wages.

This is simply false. The farmers need a bunch of labor for short periods
of time. The illegals are willing to fill that gap. They, in general,
aren't replacing american workers. The farmers can't get enough legal
workers at any price. If you offer to work for someone cheaper than the
going rate, they are likely to accept your offer and put the money towards
the bottom line.



>
><snip>
>
>/BAH


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From: Ken Smith on
In article <ep2aue$8ss_006(a)s898.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote:
>In article <ep096t$tuf$4(a)blue.rahul.net>,
> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>In article <45B39865.2DBD9E3A(a)hotmail.com>,
>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>[....]
>>>> >Since when is a local weather report *news* ???
>>>>
>>>> When it destroys the season's agriculture crop. You should look
>>>> at a map. California isn't quite a "local" area; it's very large.
>>>
>>>I know but California weather's not terribly relevant to me.
>>
>>Expect an increase in the price of oranges. The reason has nothing at all
>>to do you the minimum wage etc.
>
>I talked about the two facts coinciding at the same time.

The clock struck noon in Boston and I got a mosquito bite.

California has had a higher minimum wage for quite some time. The new
federal law isn't going to have any meaningful affect here,


>> BAH is conflating weather conditions with
>>wages.
>
>No. I suggest you do a cost analysis of any business given two
>facts: the wages increase a lot overnight and the source
>of profits disappears.

The wage increase happened years ago. California has its own minimum wage
law. It is higher than the federal law. The economy is booming.


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From: jmfbahciv on
In article <b049e$45b4d4ab$4fe74aa$7952(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>,
unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
<snip>

>>>Windows is easy when you get the
>>>knackof it.
>>
>>
>> <ahem> I'm getting myself Unixed.
>
>Damn shame, that.

I understand we all have to go through that stage sometime.

/BAH

From: jmfbahciv on
In article <ep2k2n$qm3$4(a)blue.rahul.net>,
kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>In article <ep2aue$8ss_006(a)s898.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>In article <ep096t$tuf$4(a)blue.rahul.net>,
>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>>In article <45B39865.2DBD9E3A(a)hotmail.com>,
>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>[....]
>>>>> >Since when is a local weather report *news* ???
>>>>>
>>>>> When it destroys the season's agriculture crop. You should look
>>>>> at a map. California isn't quite a "local" area; it's very large.
>>>>
>>>>I know but California weather's not terribly relevant to me.
>>>
>>>Expect an increase in the price of oranges. The reason has nothing at all
>>>to do you the minimum wage etc.
>>
>>I talked about the two facts coinciding at the same time.
>
>The clock struck noon in Boston and I got a mosquito bite.
>
>California has had a higher minimum wage for quite some time. The new
>federal law isn't going to have any meaningful affect here,

Unless this new bill includes all agriculture and food labor costs.
There used to be exceptions. It doesn't sound like they are there
anymore.


>
>
>>> BAH is conflating weather conditions with
>>>wages.
>>
>>No. I suggest you do a cost analysis of any business given two
>>facts: the wages increase a lot overnight and the source
>>of profits disappears.
>
>The wage increase happened years ago. California has its own minimum wage
>law.

We are talking food production.

> It is higher than the federal law. The economy is booming.

So you are telling me that the green bean pickers are getting
minimum wage?

/BAH
From: jmfbahciv on
In article <ep2jsh$qm3$3(a)blue.rahul.net>,
kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>In article <ep2b2c$8ss_007(a)s898.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote:
>[....]
>>>><snort> Riiiight.
>>>
>>>You need to get some facts.
>>
>>So do you. If there is no unemployment on the books, then those
>>illegals wouldn't be coming in to do the work for lower wages.
>
>This is simply false. The farmers need a bunch of labor for short periods
>of time. The illegals are willing to fill that gap. They, in general,
>aren't replacing american workers. The farmers can't get enough legal
>workers at any price. If you offer to work for someone cheaper than the
>going rate, they are likely to accept your offer and put the money towards
>the bottom line.

You can write this with a straight face and still claim there isn't
employment problems. You have just told me that your food supply
depends on a wages that are lower than the minimum wage. Do you
not smell a little bit of stink here?


/BAH