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From: jmfbahciv on 2 Feb 2007 08:03 In article <_dGdneNSZp2dx1_YRVnyhAA(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:epsoo9$8qk_016(a)s807.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <epo483$kra$1(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: ><snip> >>> >>>What part of "not having an atomic bomb for quite some years" do you not >>>understand? >> >> The US started with no knowledge and built bombs within 3 years. >> This included all of the infrastructure required. >> The knowledge has been around for five decades so nobody >> has to do that work. >> >> Why does everybody assume that countries have to take longer to >> assemble a bomb? >> > >Interesting. Before we even begin to think about this new question, are you >saying (now) that Iran has a competent industrialised system which is >capable of the manufacturing required? I think it's a shame that they are pouring their resources into bomb manufacturing rather than more useful stuff. The more useful stuff would have a side effect of acquiring the power and world respect that Iran wants. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 2 Feb 2007 08:06 In article <fbc4$45c25af0$4fe752c$2080(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >T Wake wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> news:epsoo9$8qk_016(a)s807.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> >>>In article <epo483$kra$1(a)leto.cc.emory.edu>, >>> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>>>What part of "not having an atomic bomb for quite some years" do you not >>>>understand? >>> >>>The US started with no knowledge and built bombs within 3 years. >>>This included all of the infrastructure required. >>>The knowledge has been around for five decades so nobody >>>has to do that work. >>> >>>Why does everybody assume that countries have to take longer to >>>assemble a bomb? >>> >> >> >> Interesting. Before we even begin to think about this new question, are you >> saying (now) that Iran has a competent industrialised system which is >> capable of the manufacturing required? > > >People are the critical factor for this. They have a good >number that were "made in the USA" by our universities. You will need to pay attention at the hidden assumptions of "european thinking" in that these peoples are uneducated and primitive. Some days, I think this is why Europe is sitting on their twiddling thumbs when they're dealing with Iran's bomb making intentions. I always talk myself out of this thought because nobody could be that stupid. [You don't have to say it, Mati.] /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 2 Feb 2007 08:13 In article <1fc$45c2793b$4fe7468$4852(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >T Wake wrote: > >> "unsettled" <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote in message >> news:51fba$45c25b43$4fe752c$2080(a)DIALUPUSA.NET... >> >>>T Wake wrote: >>> >>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:epsosp$8qk_017(a)s807.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <45BF7A40.71A37BB3(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Eeyore wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Attacking Iran would really let the genie out of the bottle. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Or contain it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It makes as much sense as attacking a wasp's nest with a heavy stick. >>>>>>>>>In >>>>>>>>>front of other wasps ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'd say less. Iran will fall out of the hand of the extremists in the >>>>>>>>next 20 or so years if left alone. With Bush's help, they will >>>>>>>>maintain >>>>>>>>control for much longer than that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The West doesn't have 20 years. >>>>>> >>>>>>Says who apart from you? >>>>> >>>>>Anybody who can think. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>What part of "using an atom bomb in a few years" do you not understand? >>>>>> >>>>>>They don't have a bomb now nor will they have one in a 'few years'. >>>>>> >>>>>>Iran clearly wants one not for offensive use ( that would be insane ) >>>>> >>>>>Your assumption is 100% wrong. It will fatal to you. >>>> >>>> >>>>It is interesting that you make the same threats as fundamentalist >>>>extremists. >>> >>>Nope. Fundies say, "We will kill you" while BAH is saying, >>>"They will kill you". >> >> >> She is saying the beliefs of people in the west will be fatal to [us]. >> Sounds remarkably like the fundamentalists. They even agree on who will be >> the instrument of the deaths. > >I don't find this unusual. She believes what they >say, you don't. > >> Just to be clear, on my PC her post reads "Your assumption is 100% wrong. >> It will fatal to you." > >> I have mentally inserted the [be] because I thought it was a given. > >> Now if she meant, "your assumption is 100% wrong, the fundamentalists will >> kill you" why didn't she say that? > >LOL, you're asking me? Gentlemen, it takes long and arduous work to make each sentence self-contained. > Part of the problem is she doesn't >always communicate very well while sometimes she's completely >clear in what she wants understood. Having lived in environments >of the sort she appears to have spent her life in I suppose >I generally understand the essentials she's trying to get across >based on my experiences with people much like her, sometimes >don't care about the specifics if I don't understand them, and >don't often get excited about her posts in general. I've been told that I was very lucky to work in the place I did. I didn't have to explain very much; genius has a way to figure things out without wasting a lot of time dotting eyes and crossing tees. > >In any event, she's not so "unusual" to me as she appears to be >to you. I suppose that sort of thing can be frustrating. Oh, TWake isn't frustrated about that. /BAH
From: unsettled on 2 Feb 2007 08:20 MassiveProng wrote: > On Fri, 02 Feb 07 12:53:20 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us: > > >>In article <45C2B502.DDC4BF7F(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>MassiveProng wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> Gave us: >>>> >>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Phil Carmody wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The US started with no knowledge and built bombs within 3 years. >>>>>>>>This included all of the infrastructure required. >>>>>>>>The knowledge has been around for five decades so nobody >>>>>>>>has to do that work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It also includes the requirement that you think 6 is 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>BAH maths is BAD maths. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It also presumes that Szil?rd, Teller, Einstein and Oppenheimer, >>>>>>>had no knowledge before they started working on the projects. >>>>>> >>>>>>Why didn't you simply include the entire history of mankind >>>>>>and start with "Adam" then" >>>>>> >>>>>>Einstein *never* worked on the bomb project. His input was >>>>>>limited to sending a letter at Szilard's request. >>>>>> >>>>>>The rest of them, including the important work done by >>>>>>Wheeler's group at Princeton and Bohr, started with the >>>>>>Manhattan Project. The problems to be solved were not >>>>>>whether or not a bomb could work, but actually making it >>>>>>work, and a contingent trying to figure out whether or not >>>>>>once started a chain reaction wouldn't extend to the entire >>>>>>planet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Weird, as Szil?rd was researching the matter at about the same >>>>>>>time as the Erm?chtigungsgesetz was kicking in (but not publishing >>>>>>>his work for that very reason). >>>>>> >>>>>>Szilard and others were trying to keep up with what the Germans >>>>>>were doing in their nuclear program. We sent a mission to >>>>>>destroy Germany's heavy water facility in Norway. >>>>>> >>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>BAH history is BAD history. >>>>>> >>>>>>She's accurate with her time scale of 3 years. And her point >>>>>>is also correct that any country with decent math, science and >>>>>>technology can duplicate the effort in ~3 years, perhaps less, >>>>>>by mounting an effort much smaller than the Manhattan Project >>>>>>was given the wealth of knowledge in the public domain. >>>>> >>>>>The big problem is making enough fissile material. A huge effort was >> >>required to >> >>>>>make enough for the 3 bombs the USA exploded before the end of WW2. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That was just over 100 Lbs of first generation weak grade material. >>>> >>>> NOW, we can do it with less weight, and much more responsive media. >>> >>>We can, but can a beginner get it right ? >> >>You are suffering, again, from European thinking. Iran >>isn't a beginner. Their education level is higher than >>pre-school. >> >>/BAH > > > You are suffering from horse with blinders on, single word, single > definition mentality again. > > The word beginner in this context refers to beginner in the nuclear > war device realm. > > How can you be so utterly stupid so often? > > The fact remains that they are receiving assistance in this area. Beginning with Iranian scientists who were educated in the US, UK, France, and Germany. Do you think Pakistan[1] was the only nation smart enough to get some of their people educated in the west? Since you're so "smart" tell us how many western educated scientists are needed to build an A bomb? [1]"The 1975 arrival of Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan considerably advanced these efforts. Dr. Khan is a German-trained metallurgist who brought with him knowledge of gas centrifuge technologies that he had acquired through his position at the classified URENCO uranium enrichment plant in the Netherlands. Dr. Khan also reportedly brought with him stolen uranium enrichment technologies from Europe. He was put in charge of building, equipping and operating Pakistan's Kahuta facility, which was established in 1976. Under Khan's direction, Pakistan employed an extensive clandestine network in order to obtain the necessary materials and technology for its developing uranium enrichment capabilities." http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/index.html
From: unsettled on 2 Feb 2007 08:22
Phil Carmody, known for gratuitous insults wrote: <nothing worthy of consideration> |