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From: lucasea on 11 Oct 2006 13:41 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:egifun$8ss_003(a)s909.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <SIPWg.13196$6S3.11745(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:egfp39$8ss_001(a)s934.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <YtsWg.12731$6S3.12584(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:egd9oe$8qk_008(a)s891.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So why aren't we devoting all our resources to getting him? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because this intent to destroy all traces of Western civilization >>>>>>> is not isolated to one human being. >>>>>> >>>>>>Where do you *get* these assumptions??? >>>>> >>>>> What assumptions? Islamic extremists wish to kill me and mine? >>>>> They've told me so. Furthermore, their statements were not >>>>> empty threats; they demonstrated their intent. >>>> >>>>No, they did nothing of the kind. They demonstrated their intent to >>>>destroy >>>>three or four buildings. It's a huge leap of faith (i.e., assumption) >>>>to >>>>extrapolate from this that they are "intent to destroy all traces of >>>>Western >>>>civilization." >>> >>> Which word do you have troubles with meaning: World, Trade, or Center? >>> >>> >>>> >>>>As I've said before, you don't even know what your assumptions are, and >>>>how >>>>ludicrous the premises on which you predicate them. >>> >>> Fine. I started with actual events, then learned the history >>> and made conclusions based on that learning and how people >>> act and think. >> >> >>And there's another crux to your fallacious assumptions. Are you willing >>to >>admit that people in a very different society from ours (Middle Eastern >>Islam--and this is a drastic oversimplification, for the sake of brevity) >>act and think in very different ways than you do? > > I don't have to admit it; I know the culture is different. Haven't > I just been telling you repeatedly that I've been learning about > it? And what you say you have learned about it is very, very different than what I have experienced through Muslim friends and acquaintances over the years. > Now, since they do think in very different ways than you and I do, > why are you assuming that their peace-loving is the same as yours? I'm not. My understanding of their society is from contact with real-like Middle Eastern muslims. Eric Lucas
From: John Fields on 11 Oct 2006 13:41 On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:48:59 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> >> ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >> >> >> What assumptions? Islamic extremists wish to kill me and mine? >> >> >> They've told me so. Furthermore, their statements were not >> >> >> empty threats; they demonstrated their intent. >> >> > >> >> >No, they did nothing of the kind. They demonstrated their intent to >> >> >destroythree or four buildings. It's a huge leap of faith (i.e., >> assumption) >> >> > to extrapolate from this that they are "intent to destroy all traces of >> >> >Western civilization." >> >> >> >> Which word do you have troubles with meaning: World, Trade, or Center? >> > >> >Like he said. A few buildings. >> >> Do have any idea the trade that was going on inside them? >> There were whole companies wiped out. These people had >> a collective knowledge about trading and how to get it done >> that could not be duplicated overnight. > >No-one's irreplaceable. --- Everyone's fingerprints are the same? -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: lucasea on 11 Oct 2006 13:43 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:egig32$8ss_004(a)s909.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <VfKdnfOyDt1cTbbYRVnytg(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:egfp39$8ss_001(a)s934.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <YtsWg.12731$6S3.12584(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, >>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> >>>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:egd9oe$8qk_008(a)s891.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So why aren't we devoting all our resources to getting him? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because this intent to destroy all traces of Western civilization >>>>>>> is not isolated to one human being. >>>>>> >>>>>>Where do you *get* these assumptions??? >>>>> >>>>> What assumptions? Islamic extremists wish to kill me and mine? >>>>> They've told me so. Furthermore, their statements were not >>>>> empty threats; they demonstrated their intent. >>>> >>>>No, they did nothing of the kind. They demonstrated their intent to >>>>destroy >>>>three or four buildings. It's a huge leap of faith (i.e., assumption) >>>>to >>>>extrapolate from this that they are "intent to destroy all traces of >>>>Western >>>>civilization." >>> >>> Which word do you have troubles with meaning: World, Trade, or Center? >> >>Was it really the economic centre of the world? > > It was a center; it was an important center. And yet, for all that, life has moved on. The only changes in my lifestyle are the ones imposed by my own government, in overreaction to the threat. > Or was it a grandiose name >>applied to some trade buildings? > > I figured you would take this stance. Avoiding reality doesn't > make it go away. What demonstrated reality is he avoiding? All we have is your assertions. > The best thing you can do is to stay out of > the way of people who will be dealing with the messes. The best thing I can do is to help make sure that people are elected to office who don't overblow the threat, all in the name of using fear to keep their jobs. Eric Lucas
From: John Fields on 11 Oct 2006 13:44 On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:50:49 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> You people keep focusing on the buildings. Why don't you spend >> a nanosecond thinking about the people who were killed, the >> trade that was interrupted and the destruction of the >> knowledge of how to do all this stuff? > >Like I said. Ppl are replaceable. --- Have you ever lost a child? -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: Eeyore on 11 Oct 2006 13:47
John Fields wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >That 'alliance' - it wasn't an alliance in fact - didn't last long anyway. > > --- > Trying to split hairs again? > > It most certainly was an alliance, since they signed a trade agree > ment and a non-aggression pact: So what ? > 19/08/1939 Germany and USSR sign a trade treaty. > > 23/08/1939 Germany and the USSR sign a non-aggression pact in > Moscow. A non-aggression pact *is not* an alliance ! Don't you know what the words mean ? Graham |