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From: jmfbahciv on 4 Nov 2006 08:07 In article <454B8CBB.216F8FE1(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >They seem to be doing better than the US with a lot less money for >> >> >> >health care. >> >> >> >> >> >> Could it be the drug costs that make this difference? >> >> > >> >> >Why do so may US medical practicioners prescibe expensive drugs >> >> >> >> They don't. >> > >> >My advice is that they *do* ! >> > >> >In fact I know a chap in the USA whose wife's preferred drugs were so >> >prohibitively expensive that they couldn't afford them and had to 'make do' >> >withsomething cheaper. >> > >> >Maybe we have different ideas of 'expensive' ? In the UK an NHS course of >> >drugscosts ?6.50 ( ~ $12.30 ). >> >> Is that your copayment? > >We call it a precription charge. OK. The US' term is copayment. > It's a flat rate for any course of one single >drug which might be from 7 days to say 3 months. So if your treatment needs 2 >drugs you pay ?6.50 ea for them. > > >> What do they really cost? > >I've no idea. Usually more but not always since the NHS >makes extensive use of >generics which they ( and the pharmacists ) can buy in >bulk and get a good price on. This means that you don't have access to any improved drugs. The patent period, IRRC, in the US is 20 years. With your drug plan, you have to use 20-year old medical drug technology. > > >> From what >> I've read about UK social programs a lot of real costs are hidden >> because a lot is subsidized. > >That's the whole point. If your drugs cost say ?200 you still only pay ?6.50. >This means good health care is affordable for all regardless of income. So who is paying for the rest of the cost? $200-$6.50=$193.50 (I don't have a pound sign so I'll use dollars). > >The appointment with the doctor or consultant is free of course since they're >employed by the NHS ( actually these days the local Primary Care Trust ). Just because you don't pay for it does not mean there are no costs for that delivery of service. Somebody is paying for suppplies, labor, footprint, cleaning, disposing, etc. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Nov 2006 08:17 In article <454B8F8F.58262328(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >T Wake wrote: >> >> >> Do you take this to imply there is a *shortage* of the goods and services >> >> in Europe? >> > >> >I was hoping to discover this too. >> > >> >Maybe BAH can enlighten us ? >> >> I don't know about now... >> >> People would fly over to buy computers, blue jeans, tooth paste, >> books, condiments. > >To the USA ? Yes. > >Well..... we do actually have computers here. In fact the Dell brand sells well >here too. >http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs They didn't use to be sold over there. I imagine that network shopping is starting to change the need to fly over to the US to get stuff. > >I do know that there are some 'cuts' of jeans that may only be available in the >USA due to perceived national fashion differences but there's no shortage of >them over here nor toothpaste, books or condiments for that matter. For the toothpaste and condiments it was particular brands. For the books, friends of ours would buy $500 worth of paperbacks because they couldn't get those titles at home. > > >> There was something else that was very odd >> but I can't remember what it was. These items were cheaper, if >> available for sale in European stores. Most were not available >> and could not be ordered. Buying the stuff while you were in >> your country was not allowed but you could go over and buy the >> stuff as a tourist. > >Not allowed ? What do you mean exactly ? Import bans, taxes, etc. I never understood all of this but it seemed to be tied to unions and headwedged thinking. > > >> These restrictions may have to be dropped now that there is >> online shopping available. > >There never have been any restrictions on what you can buy since rationing from >WW2 ended in the 50s. It didn't end in the UK. Thatcher was still removing vestiges of WWII price and labor controls when she was PM. > >You're a funny old girl you know ! Once in a great while I'm funny. However, I'm old all the time. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Nov 2006 08:23 In article <9oednZXphtPkzNbYRVnysQ(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:eifhsi$8qk_013(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <cIadnRExj-EqqtbYnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> >>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:eia884$8qk_011(a)s880.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> In article <b0b87$454896c9$4fe760b$14253(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <4546F871.E7AD0EB5(a)hotmail.com>, >>>>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>unsettled wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Also compare the availability of goods and services in Europe >>>>>>>>and other places in the world to ours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What !!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Are you being funny ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No, he's not. There are a lot of Europeans who come to the US >>>>>> to shop. >>>>> >>>>>There have been many flights bringing Europeans to shop at >>>>>the Mall of America in Minnesota. Straight in, shop all day, >>>>>get back on the plane the same day and go back. >>>> >>>> I hadn't heard that one. >>> >>>Neither had I. It seems unusual for people to fly over 10 hours each way >>>to >>>go shopping. The prices there really must be rock bottom. >> >> Oh, I've heard of people going to Califoria (from Asia) and >> Boston and NYC from Europe to buy stuff. I had not realized >> that these shoppers had discovered that Mall. > >Wow. I am really, honestly, amazed by this. > >I can not speak for all people. I can not speak for all Europeans. I can't >even speak for all Brits. However, most people I know would not fly to the >US simply to shop. When they do go to the US on holiday (for example, I have >relatives in New York and often go to Florida on holiday) they will shop for >things. > >When people I know go to [Insert European Destination Here] on Holiday, they >will often shop for things as well. > >Isn't it strange. > >Also, we actually do have shopping malls here in Europe. > >What a wonderful world we live in. Think about how mobile people how work are. When they go visit a foreign for their jobs, they experience new foods, products, etc. They bring back enough and their neighbors see the stuff or taste it. So now they would like to have some. The next time a friend of theirs goes to that country, he a grocery list. Eventually when the authors of the list go on vacation, part of the constraint of their plans is go somewhere so they can stock up on X product. We never saw Mexican nor Thai (e.g.) in the northeast until people started to bring in supplies. I like a certain mustard that is only sold in the upper midwest US. And there's a salad dressing that is only sold there. So I stock up. /BAH /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Nov 2006 08:25 In article <454B962A.4DD0FD81(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >T Wake wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> >> > Oh, I've heard of people going to Califoria (from Asia) and >> > Boston and NYC from Europe to buy stuff. I had not realized >> > that these shoppers had discovered that Mall. >> >> Wow. I am really, honestly, amazed by this. >> >> I can not speak for all people. I can not speak for all Europeans. I can't >> even speak for all Brits. However, most people I know would not fly to the >> US simply to shop. When they do go to the US on holiday (for example, I have >> relatives in New York and often go to Florida on holiday) they will shop for >> things. >> >> When people I know go to [Insert European Destination Here] on Holiday, they >> will often shop for things as well. >> >> Isn't it strange. >> >> Also, we actually do have shopping malls here in Europe. >> >> What a wonderful world we live in. > >I believe there may even be shopping malls in China now too ! There were when I was there. They were only for the tourists. > >I wonder if BAH and unsettled still think the Chinese all go round still in Mao >style suits ? Only the old ones dressed that way when I was there. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Nov 2006 08:27
In article <IXH2h.489$Mw.367(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:eifdmg$8qk_001(a)s820.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <1162480833.859040.321890(a)e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, >> "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>[....] >>>> >Actually, yes, GDP includes things that are exported. >>>> >>>> One doesn't export intellectual property. It's not a thing. >>> >>>What a curious comment. Care to expand on it? >> >> I'll try. Let's try it this way....I know a piece of knowledge. >> This is intellectual property. I write it down on a piece of >> paper. Unless I formally put it into a corporate structure, <snip> I'll give you a score of 100%; your reading incomprehension is perfect. /BAH |