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From: krw on 20 Feb 2010 11:30 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:55:27 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >krw wrote: >> >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800, >> "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> > >> >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner" >> >><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>"Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> >>>news:7u8260Fve5U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >>>> Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry. >> >>> >> >>>They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer & >> >>>dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying >> >>>her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for >> >>>loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing >> >>>just how much there was to find. >> >> >> >>My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided >> >>that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry. >> >> >> >>>Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop... :-) >> >>> >> >>>I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially >> >>>when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased >> >>>by, um, about 5x... :-) >> >> >> >>By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock? >> > >> >I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as >> >musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons. >> >> Makes sense. Joerg likes Bluegrass, too. > > > Washboards were used by 'Jug Bands'. Yes, and that's Bluegrass. One of the music teachers I had in high school was in a great bluegrass band (The Medicare # - #=the number that showed up that night). He played the clarinet and garden hose. ;-)
From: Joerg on 20 Feb 2010 12:08 krw wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:37:46 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> krw wrote: [...] >>> I worked for (their first employee, actually) HAL Electronics making >>> electronic keyers and keyer kits when I was in high school. >>> >> HAL was totally unaffordable for me and many others. I always marveled >> at their stuff but then we usually built it ourselves. I remember one >> guy threading enameled wired through dozens of toroids to make a poor >> man's matrix keyboard, cussing and all. But it worked. > > It was amazing stuff for its time. I built myself one of the iambic > keyers. I have no idea what happened to it. > Occasionally one shows up for sale: http://www.eham.net/classifieds/detail/268956 [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 20 Feb 2010 12:17 JosephKK wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:15:54 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> krw wrote: [...] >>> When I first started with IBM, we used communicating Selectrics and >>> 2741s (a bullet-proofed Selectric sort of thing) for this. Overnight >>> runs used a different simulator and chain printers. The printing was >>> the same as above, though, and printouts were often a foot thick. >>> >> Then you probably remember their first PC word processor, EasyWriter. >> That's what I started out with. Later I learned that the programmer >> wrote it while doing time in the slammer, IIRC for blue-boxing. >> > I thought that Electric Pencil was first only to discover that it predates > the IBM PC. I think that Word Star was the first PC mass market text editor > with printout formatting. Mostly lifted from vi and Tex from unix land. When our family started using EasyWriter I think there was no Word Star. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Charlie E. on 20 Feb 2010 17:34 On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:17:07 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >JosephKK wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:15:54 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> krw wrote: > >[...] > >>>> When I first started with IBM, we used communicating Selectrics and >>>> 2741s (a bullet-proofed Selectric sort of thing) for this. Overnight >>>> runs used a different simulator and chain printers. The printing was >>>> the same as above, though, and printouts were often a foot thick. >>>> >>> Then you probably remember their first PC word processor, EasyWriter. >>> That's what I started out with. Later I learned that the programmer >>> wrote it while doing time in the slammer, IIRC for blue-boxing. >>> >> I thought that Electric Pencil was first only to discover that it predates >> the IBM PC. I think that Word Star was the first PC mass market text editor >> with printout formatting. Mostly lifted from vi and Tex from unix land. > > >When our family started using EasyWriter I think there was no Word Star. > >[...] When my wife went back to college in the '80s we had a word processor on our C64 that she used with an Star dot matrix to do her school work. it was definitely NOT WYSIWYG, but it was a lot better than typing! Charlie
From: Charlie E. on 20 Feb 2010 17:39
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:39:51 -0800, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >news:rtkrn51hvfcfm17cjrvhp0uf9o81koupr0(a)4ax.com... >> Didn't everyone have PCs by then? > >In 1994, when I received my BSEE, of the engineering students I knew, I doubt >that even half had their own PCs. That was still the era of very large >computer labs -- I took some computer science class to learn C, Pascal, and >FORTRAN (probably in 1992), and while I had a good enough job that I could >afford to buy copies of Turbo C and Turbo Pascal for DOS, I knew FORTRAN was a >pretty dead language already and used the college's computer lab. FORTRAN was >taught on Macs and the main lab was a huge, poorly-ventilated room in the >basement of a ugly concrete building with literally hundreds of Macs and >students side-by-side. It wasn't exactly a nice atmosphere! > >The next semester I took "assembly langauge on a VAX" -- a room of a couple >dozen terminals, much more room per student -- and "data structures and >algorithms" -- a room of perhaps 50 HP PA-RISC workstations running HPUX --, >and those were actually pretty nice environments. > >I had an Amiga 3000 at the time... and while Berkeley SPICE was available, the >guys with PCs were already running the free version of PSpice which had much >better graphing abilities. > >Laptops were quite new and insanely expensive (and machines mere mortals could >afford had the crappy highly-multiplexed monochrome LCDs). How far we've >come -- today I'd wager >99% of engineering students have PCs, almost all of >those are laptops (all active-matrix LCDs now), and nearly all campuses have >ubiquitous WFi. > >---Joel When I went back for may Masters in 1988, I first bought me a PC clone (8088 with a 30Meg HD!) to do homework on. I happened to have a 'friend' or two, so I had a complete suite of tools, including wordperfect, spreadsheets, autocad!, plus anything else I thought I needed. I also got the free version of PSpice when I needed it. I think just about all of my classmates in the grad program had their own PCs... Charlie |