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From: krw on 19 Feb 2010 19:38 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:40:08 -0800, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >message news:j0prn5phpc5d7h6lr7b9t0atqkqdedhbki(a)4ax.com... >> My first 386 with a 387 co-processor cost me around $4K, and it was a >> clone (~1987) > >The first PC I purchased was a 286, purchased around 1992 (so already pretty >old), but for "only" $700 or so. I didn't purchase my next PC -- a 75MHz >Pentium -- until something like 1997 or so. My first PC was the original, in 1982. I bought an 80286 in '89, or so, and a cheap clone Pentium in '94.
From: krw on 19 Feb 2010 19:50 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:37:42 -0800, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1(a)4ax.com... >> Amazing. Where did you go to school? > >University of Wisconsin-Madison. I would have thought PCs would have been more prevalent by then. They were already rapidly coming down the price curve. >In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well -- PCs >were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also a sizeable >number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and even some >NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were user groups for >most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus. (The Amiga group that I >occasionally visited met in the "union south," which was immediately adjacent >to all the engineering buildings.) > >> We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very >> bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course >> (well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it). > >Wow... :-) > >When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to see >that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%! When I was in school I think I was the fourth in the EE department with an HP. There were a few TIs, as well, but their owners tended to flunk out.
From: krw on 19 Feb 2010 19:52 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Joel Koltner wrote: >> "krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >> news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1(a)4ax.com... >>> Amazing. Where did you go to school? >> >> University of Wisconsin-Madison. >> >> In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well -- >> PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also >> a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and >> even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were >> user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus. >> (The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south," >> which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.) >> >>> We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very >>> bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course >>> (well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it). >> >> Wow... :-) >> >> When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to >> see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%! >> > >And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-( I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know which end to pick up today.
From: Phil Hobbs on 19 Feb 2010 19:55 On 2/19/2010 6:42 PM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > > > Joel Koltner wrote: >> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >>> Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades? >> >> No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done? > > http://chemistry-chemists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78 > > Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would > work at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the > blades, so the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current. > > > Vladimir Vassilevsky > DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant > http://www.abvolt.com > Sure, electric vapourizers used to work that way. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
From: krw on 19 Feb 2010 19:58
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:04:37 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Joel Koltner wrote: >> "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms(a)charter.net> wrote in message >> news:hlkv5s$d2k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> In fact, this school has a "technology program" where you are required >>> to lease a laptop (whether you need one or not). >> >> That sounds like a bit of a scam! >> >> I lived in the dormitories for 3 years as an undergraduate, and during >> the last year they decided that they were going to equip all the rooms >> with mini-fridges whether you liked it or not... and of course there was >> a new, separate fee for this. Most annoying to those who had already >> purchased their own fridge... or decided to do without. >> >> Seems like they should have phased them in over four years and just >> jacked up the rent a bit rather than making it a separate line item, if >> they really wanted to do it. >> >> (I have often felt that apartments would be better if there were more >> standard appliances such as a microwave, dishwasher, and washer and >> dryer [when there's already plumbing for such] than making everyone haul >> their own from rental to rental...) >> > >Hey, you guys are spoiled. I never lived on campus, didn't want to. I >had no washer, no dryer, no microwave, no diswasher. All I had was a >two-burner portable electric "range". But you could not turn both on >when the TV was running or the fuse would blow and that was three >flights of stairs down. Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry. >Use of the clothesline during the week was scheduled out among the parties. I never lived on campus either. The first year I lived at home and off-campus in a mobile home, after. The washer and dryer were across town at the in-laws. We didn't have a microwave, either. ;-) The parties were in one of the campus pubs and few were scheduled. ;-) |