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From: krw on 20 Feb 2010 00:13 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:46:54 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:10:51 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>wrote: >> >>>Joel Koltner wrote: >>>> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the >>>>> amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called >>>>> "double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil >>>>> it until it will be a uniform kasha. >>>> >>>> Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How >>>> long ago was that? >>>> >>>>> Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades? >>>> >>>> No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done? >>>> >>>> When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required >>>> to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various >>>> plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker." >>>> These days many schools have switched some or all of their own >>>> cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza >>>> Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition >>>> and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place, >>>> food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no >>>> remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready >>>> walking distance of campus. :-) ) >>>> >>> >>>But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely >>>frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much >>>cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly >>>gourmet quality. >> >>Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that >>Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether >>they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus. >> >>>IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets >>>exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types. >> >>Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required >>Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and >>could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are >>also going that way, except not just for Freshmen. >> >>Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless >>they could live at home. > >It is mostly a money chase. Got to nearly balance the budget. It is now, that and control. Thirty five years ago, it was an attempt at, well, controlling Freshmen so they didn't fail their first year on their own. Those who could live at home still had their mommy to guide them. Those that couldn't had the state.
From: krw on 20 Feb 2010 00:14 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner" >><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>"Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>news:7u8260Fve5U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry. >>> >>>They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer & >>>dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying >>>her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for >>>loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing >>>just how much there was to find. >> >>My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided >>that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry. >> >>>Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop... :-) >>> >>>I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially >>>when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased >>>by, um, about 5x... :-) >> >>By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock? > >I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as >musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons. Makes sense. Joerg likes Bluegrass, too.
From: krw on 20 Feb 2010 00:21 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:37:46 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:59:59 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> krw wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:47 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>>>>> "krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> Amazing. Where did you go to school? >>>>>>>> University of Wisconsin-Madison. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well -- >>>>>>>> PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also >>>>>>>> a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and >>>>>>>> even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were >>>>>>>> user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus. >>>>>>>> (The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south," >>>>>>>> which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very >>>>>>>>> bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course >>>>>>>>> (well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it). >>>>>>>> Wow... :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to >>>>>>>> see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-( >>>>>> I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know >>>>>> which end to pick up today. >>>>>> >>>>> Not sure when you graduated but in my days (early 80's) nearly everyone >>>>> would solder until you had clouds in the room. >>>> '74. I don't remember anyone doing labs at home and only a few labs >>>> had soldering irons (mostly the RF labs). Everythign else was done on >>>> proto-boards or other fixtures. >>>> >>> Ok, I grew up with ham radio friends. If we didn't have some piece of >>> equipment we made it (and shared). If someone became stuck on a project >>> and needed assistance from a more senior ham a cold bottle of beer would >>> always do the trick :-) >> >> I did the same in high school. One of the profs (a friend of my >> father's) was my mentor. No beer needed, though. None of my high >> school friends went into EE, though. In the late '60s and early '70s >> EE wasn't a popular curriculum. >> >>>>> Most of them were >>>>> assembling Apple II clones and such. One of my side jobs at the >>>>> university was to come up with low cost tools they can build. Poor man's >>>>> spectrum analyzer, function generators and so on. The plans were free >>>>> and if there were unavoidable difficult-to-buy parts we'd organize pool >>>>> orders and stuff. >>>> PCs were long-off. I worked in the EE department electronics "shop". >>>> In addition to maintaining the lab equipment we built fixtures and lab >>>> setups. No one had any equipment of their own. The labs were >>>> extremely well equipped, though. Almost all the equipment was Tek and >>>> HP, with WaveTek being the popular generator. >>> >>> In the 70's when I was a teenager I had equipment of my own. Some was >>> really old stuff that I restored. Other things were home-made, still got >>> some of it and it still works. Mostly ham-related because that's what I >>> needed and couldn't afford to buy: >> >> I've never owned much test equipment. Until the last year, I've >> always worked were they had far better stuff than I could dream of >> buying. I don't want it now. >> >>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/oak2.jpg >>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/accukeyer.jpg >> >> I worked for (their first employee, actually) HAL Electronics making >> electronic keyers and keyer kits when I was in high school. >> > >HAL was totally unaffordable for me and many others. I always marveled >at their stuff but then we usually built it ourselves. I remember one >guy threading enameled wired through dozens of toroids to make a poor >man's matrix keyboard, cussing and all. But it worked. It was amazing stuff for its time. I built myself one of the iambic keyers. I have no idea what happened to it. >>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/PL509amp2.jpg >>> http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/QB5amp2.jpg >>> >>> The most difficult part was always the enclosure because all I had was >>> hand tools and my dad let me borrow his hammer drill. >> >> I used aluminum chassis and a nibbling tool. > > >A nibbling tool was really expensive in Germany because you could only >buy brand name stuff. So it had to be the old file and blisters. Mine wasn't cheap but I still have it. I haven't used it in years, though.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 20 Feb 2010 10:55 krw wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800, > "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner" > >><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >>>"Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > >>>news:7u8260Fve5U1(a)mid.individual.net... > >>>> Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry. > >>> > >>>They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer & > >>>dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying > >>>her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for > >>>loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing > >>>just how much there was to find. > >> > >>My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided > >>that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry. > >> > >>>Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop... :-) > >>> > >>>I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially > >>>when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased > >>>by, um, about 5x... :-) > >> > >>By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock? > > > >I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as > >musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons. > > Makes sense. Joerg likes Bluegrass, too. Washboards were used by 'Jug Bands'. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
From: Jim Thompson on 20 Feb 2010 11:09
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner" >><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>"Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>news:7u8260Fve5U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry. >>> >>>They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer & >>>dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying >>>her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for >>>loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing >>>just how much there was to find. >> >>My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided >>that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry. >> >>>Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop... :-) >>> >>>I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially >>>when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased >>>by, um, about 5x... :-) >> >>By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock? > >I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as >musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons. As a kid I thought it was hilarious to crank my Grandmother Thompson's washing machine until I got too close to the wringer. Then I discovered the button on top to whack and release myself :-( I also enjoyed pumping spinning wheels and sewing machines, and the organ at my Grandparents Godwin... I was easily entertained ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |