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From: Michael A. Terrell on 21 Feb 2010 02:51 "Charlie E." wrote: > > I have found that I almost always have a budget of $1K when I get a > new computer. My first C64, with disk drive and printer, was about > that, although I got about $300 in rebates. My first PC, the 8088, > was $1050. My next 486 machine was probably around $900, and my next > two compaqs were around a grand. Even this laptop was only $1100... Most of mine were in the $400 range, if I didn't build them myself. The last new computer I bought was an Emachines 733 MHz E Tower with Windows ME. Since then, it has been used computers built from used parts. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 21 Feb 2010 02:54 krw wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:55:27 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >krw wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800, > >> "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner" > >> >><zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>"Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > >> >>>news:7u8260Fve5U1(a)mid.individual.net... > >> >>>> Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry. > >> >>> > >> >>>They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer & > >> >>>dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying > >> >>>her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for > >> >>>loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing > >> >>>just how much there was to find. > >> >> > >> >>My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided > >> >>that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry. > >> >> > >> >>>Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop... :-) > >> >>> > >> >>>I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially > >> >>>when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased > >> >>>by, um, about 5x... :-) > >> >> > >> >>By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock? > >> > > >> >I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as > >> >musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons. > >> > >> Makes sense. Joerg likes Bluegrass, too. > > > > > > Washboards were used by 'Jug Bands'. > > Yes, and that's Bluegrass. One of the music teachers I had in high > school was in a great bluegrass band (The Medicare # - #=the number > that showed up that night). He played the clarinet and garden hose. > ;-) You should listen to 'Bluegrass Underground' on WSM. It's recorded live in a cave that is 333 feet below ground, near Nashville. It airs Saturdays before the Opry. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
From: JosephKK on 21 Feb 2010 10:18 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:11:15 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:52:06 -0800, >"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:40:24 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>krw wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>>>> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>> So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the >>>>>>>> amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called >>>>>>>> "double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil >>>>>>>> it until it will be a uniform kasha. >>>>>>> Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How >>>>>>> long ago was that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades? >>>>>>> No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required >>>>>>> to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various >>>>>>> plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker." >>>>>>> These days many schools have switched some or all of their own >>>>>>> cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza >>>>>>> Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition >>>>>>> and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place, >>>>>>> food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no >>>>>>> remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready >>>>>>> walking distance of campus. :-) ) >>>>>>> >>>>>> But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely >>>>>> frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much >>>>>> cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly >>>>>> gourmet quality. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that >>>>> Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether >>>>> they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus. >>>>> >>>>>> IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets >>>>>> exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types. >>>>> >>>>> Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required >>>>> Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and >>>>> could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are >>>>> also going that way, except not just for Freshmen. >>>>> >>>>> Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless >>>>> they could live at home. >>>> >>>> >>>>Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost >>>>discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities >>>>receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a >>>>class together and challenge them. >>> >>>Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM >>>in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if >>>everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons >>>(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers >>>together. >> >>Well if they want to charge me like i live on campus, they better think well >>about properly providing a cot and a roof to go with the three hots. Not >>all students can so easily beat the cost of the meal plan, but those that >>can, and need to, to stay in school are clearly being discriminated against. > >The point is that you *would* live on campus. Of course you can beat >their prices, but that's not in their interest. The middle class are >far from being a protected class. Discrimination is perfectly legal. I didn't back then and i couldn't now (way to much stuff plus a house). Of course i always had to pay my own tuition/fees and buy my own books. Didn't let that stop me either. But mandatory fees for students for services that they cannot make reasonable use of is evil. There are such things as commuter campuses, 70k students enrolled, 18k of them full time, more crowding in the night classes.
From: krw on 21 Feb 2010 12:25 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:18:31 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:11:15 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:52:06 -0800, >>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:40:24 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>krw wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>>>>> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>>> So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the >>>>>>>>> amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called >>>>>>>>> "double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil >>>>>>>>> it until it will be a uniform kasha. >>>>>>>> Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How >>>>>>>> long ago was that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades? >>>>>>>> No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required >>>>>>>> to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various >>>>>>>> plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker." >>>>>>>> These days many schools have switched some or all of their own >>>>>>>> cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza >>>>>>>> Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition >>>>>>>> and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place, >>>>>>>> food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no >>>>>>>> remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready >>>>>>>> walking distance of campus. :-) ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely >>>>>>> frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much >>>>>>> cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly >>>>>>> gourmet quality. >>>>>> >>>>>> Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that >>>>>> Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether >>>>>> they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus. >>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets >>>>>>> exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required >>>>>> Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and >>>>>> could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are >>>>>> also going that way, except not just for Freshmen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless >>>>>> they could live at home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost >>>>>discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities >>>>>receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a >>>>>class together and challenge them. >>>> >>>>Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM >>>>in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if >>>>everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons >>>>(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers >>>>together. >>> >>>Well if they want to charge me like i live on campus, they better think well >>>about properly providing a cot and a roof to go with the three hots. Not >>>all students can so easily beat the cost of the meal plan, but those that >>>can, and need to, to stay in school are clearly being discriminated against. >> >>The point is that you *would* live on campus. Of course you can beat >>their prices, but that's not in their interest. The middle class are >>far from being a protected class. Discrimination is perfectly legal. > >I didn't back then and i couldn't now (way to much stuff plus a house). Of >course i always had to pay my own tuition/fees and buy my own books. Didn't >let that stop me either. But mandatory fees for students for services that >they cannot make reasonable use of is evil. Of course they're evil. I had to pay an "intramural athletics building" fee for a building I couldn't use and an "assembly hall fee" for a building I couldn't afford to use (basketball and concert venue). In fact, to show you how evil, they were voted on by the student body. A no-vote was a *no* vote. But that's what leftists do - evil. Nothing has changed. >There are such things as commuter >campuses, 70k students enrolled, 18k of them full time, more crowding in the >night classes. Probably fewer night classes, too. Now they're doing on-line classes (my son is caught up in this). Same tuition, more bodies per instructor, zero infrastructure costs.
From: Phil Hobbs on 21 Feb 2010 13:44
On 2/20/2010 12:11 AM, krw wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:52:06 -0800, > "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:40:24 -0600, krw<krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg<invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> krw wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg<invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>>>> "Vladimir Vassilevsky"<nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>> So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the >>>>>>>> amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called >>>>>>>> "double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil >>>>>>>> it until it will be a uniform kasha. >>>>>>> Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How >>>>>>> long ago was that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades? >>>>>>> No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required >>>>>>> to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various >>>>>>> plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker." >>>>>>> These days many schools have switched some or all of their own >>>>>>> cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza >>>>>>> Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition >>>>>>> and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place, >>>>>>> food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no >>>>>>> remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready >>>>>>> walking distance of campus. :-) ) >>>>>>> >>>>>> But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely >>>>>> frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much >>>>>> cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly >>>>>> gourmet quality. >>>>> >>>>> Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that >>>>> Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether >>>>> they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus. >>>>> >>>>>> IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets >>>>>> exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types. >>>>> >>>>> Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required >>>>> Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and >>>>> could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are >>>>> also going that way, except not just for Freshmen. >>>>> >>>>> Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless >>>>> they could live at home. >>>> >>>> >>>> Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost >>>> discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities >>>> receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a >>>> class together and challenge them. >>> >>> Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM >>> in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if >>> everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons >>> (excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers >>> together. >> >> Well if they want to charge me like i live on campus, they better think well >> about properly providing a cot and a roof to go with the three hots. Not >> all students can so easily beat the cost of the meal plan, but those that >> can, and need to, to stay in school are clearly being discriminated against. > > The point is that you *would* live on campus. Of course you can beat > their prices, but that's not in their interest. The middle class are > far from being a protected class. Discrimination is perfectly legal. Back in the day, universities were expected to act *in loco parentis*, i.e. to protect their students against their own worst tendencies to misbehave when they first leave home. That was a good thing in general--these days, the universities don't want parents to have any say at all. As an aside, I've never understood the American tendency to try to protect kids against alcohol until they're 18, and then send them away to school to die of alcohol poisoning. My #1 daughter was an RA at a college in Maryland, and she has some really hair-raising stories of people in her dorms who could easily have died that way. Europeans have a more sensible attitude--introduce it gradually so that by the time they leave home, it's no big deal and they know their limits. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |