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From: Joel Koltner on 21 Feb 2010 15:11 "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:4B80E524.F24776F7(a)earthlink.net... > I liked Speedscript for the C64, SX64 & C128. Not fancy, but easy to > use. Agreed, until I purchased a copy of Paperclip III, Speedscript was what I used for school and it worked fine. Paperclip III was very impressive given the constrains of the machine. They had so much software in there that your text buffer was only something like 8kB though! -- But of course it had a command to automatically link to your next file, so when you went to print everything would be printed at once if you wanted. ---Joel
From: Joel Koltner on 21 Feb 2010 15:17 "krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message news:fmq2o5lekcqfvf6a6nbn8l9hdjitgdcgkj(a)4ax.com... > Probably fewer night classes, too. Now they're doing on-line classes > (my son is caught up in this). Same tuition, more bodies per > instructor, zero infrastructure costs. Where I am, there's usually a *surcharge!* to take an on-line class. They get away with it because there isn't exactly much choice in the matter, and I suppose that people just view it as a "convenience" fee, just as they're willing to pay more for beer at 7-11 than at a regular grocery store. But it's definitely not a very student-friendly policy. Granted, all those on-line class takers *are* allowed to visit the campus and check out some books from the library or use the swimming pool or whatever, but obvious they know that on average very few of the facilities that tuition helps to pay for are actually going to be used by on-line learners. ---Joel
From: Jim Thompson on 21 Feb 2010 15:17 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:44:09 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote: >On 2/20/2010 12:11 AM, krw wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:52:06 -0800, >> "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:40:24 -0600, krw<krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg<invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg<invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>>>>> "Vladimir Vassilevsky"<nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>>> So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the >>>>>>>>> amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called >>>>>>>>> "double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil >>>>>>>>> it until it will be a uniform kasha. >>>>>>>> Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How >>>>>>>> long ago was that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades? >>>>>>>> No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required >>>>>>>> to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various >>>>>>>> plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker." >>>>>>>> These days many schools have switched some or all of their own >>>>>>>> cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza >>>>>>>> Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition >>>>>>>> and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place, >>>>>>>> food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no >>>>>>>> remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready >>>>>>>> walking distance of campus. :-) ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely >>>>>>> frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much >>>>>>> cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly >>>>>>> gourmet quality. >>>>>> >>>>>> Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that >>>>>> Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether >>>>>> they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus. >>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets >>>>>>> exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required >>>>>> Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and >>>>>> could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are >>>>>> also going that way, except not just for Freshmen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless >>>>>> they could live at home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost >>>>> discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities >>>>> receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a >>>>> class together and challenge them. >>>> >>>> Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM >>>> in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if >>>> everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons >>>> (excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers >>>> together. >>> >>> Well if they want to charge me like i live on campus, they better think well >>> about properly providing a cot and a roof to go with the three hots. Not >>> all students can so easily beat the cost of the meal plan, but those that >>> can, and need to, to stay in school are clearly being discriminated against. >> >> The point is that you *would* live on campus. Of course you can beat >> their prices, but that's not in their interest. The middle class are >> far from being a protected class. Discrimination is perfectly legal. > > >Back in the day, universities were expected to act *in loco parentis*, >i.e. to protect their students against their own worst tendencies to >misbehave when they first leave home. That was a good thing in >general--these days, the universities don't want parents to have any say >at all. > >As an aside, I've never understood the American tendency to try to >protect kids against alcohol until they're 18, and then send them away >to school to die of alcohol poisoning. My #1 daughter was an RA at a >college in Maryland, and she has some really hair-raising stories of >people in her dorms who could easily have died that way. Europeans have >a more sensible attitude--introduce it gradually so that by the time >they leave home, it's no big deal and they know their limits. > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs Number One Daughter went off to Scripps College (Pomona, 1980) and on one of the first days she was there, the dormitory had a wine tasting (identification) contest. N.O.D won the contest ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
From: krw on 22 Feb 2010 12:27 On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:25:56 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:18:31 -0800, >"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:11:15 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:52:06 -0800, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:40:24 -0600, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>krw wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>>>>> So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the >>>>>>>>>> amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called >>>>>>>>>> "double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil >>>>>>>>>> it until it will be a uniform kasha. >>>>>>>>> Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How >>>>>>>>> long ago was that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades? >>>>>>>>> No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required >>>>>>>>> to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various >>>>>>>>> plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker." >>>>>>>>> These days many schools have switched some or all of their own >>>>>>>>> cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza >>>>>>>>> Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition >>>>>>>>> and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place, >>>>>>>>> food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no >>>>>>>>> remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready >>>>>>>>> walking distance of campus. :-) ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely >>>>>>>> frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much >>>>>>>> cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly >>>>>>>> gourmet quality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that >>>>>>> Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether >>>>>>> they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets >>>>>>>> exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required >>>>>>> Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and >>>>>>> could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are >>>>>>> also going that way, except not just for Freshmen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless >>>>>>> they could live at home. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost >>>>>>discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities >>>>>>receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a >>>>>>class together and challenge them. >>>>> >>>>>Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM >>>>>in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if >>>>>everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons >>>>>(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers >>>>>together. >>>> >>>>Well if they want to charge me like i live on campus, they better think well >>>>about properly providing a cot and a roof to go with the three hots. Not >>>>all students can so easily beat the cost of the meal plan, but those that >>>>can, and need to, to stay in school are clearly being discriminated against. >>> >>>The point is that you *would* live on campus. Of course you can beat >>>their prices, but that's not in their interest. The middle class are >>>far from being a protected class. Discrimination is perfectly legal. >> >>I didn't back then and i couldn't now (way to much stuff plus a house). Of >>course i always had to pay my own tuition/fees and buy my own books. Didn't >>let that stop me either. But mandatory fees for students for services that >>they cannot make reasonable use of is evil. > >Of course they're evil. I had to pay an "intramural athletics >building" fee for a building I couldn't use and an "assembly hall fee" >for a building I couldn't afford to use (basketball and concert >venue). In fact, to show you how evil, they were voted on by the >student body. A no-vote was a *no* vote. But that's what leftists do Sorry, a no-vote was a *yes* vote *for* the fees. >- evil. Nothing has changed. > >>There are such things as commuter >>campuses, 70k students enrolled, 18k of them full time, more crowding in the >>night classes. > >Probably fewer night classes, too. Now they're doing on-line classes >(my son is caught up in this). Same tuition, more bodies per >instructor, zero infrastructure costs.
From: Joel Koltner on 22 Feb 2010 13:14
Hi Tim, "Tim Wescott" <tim(a)seemywebsite.now> wrote in message news:l_WdnQL_L-JIVR_WnZ2dnUVZ_vti4p2d(a)web-ster.com... > Actually in Oregon it varies by county. Ah, OK, that was for Kerr library at Oregon State in Corvallis. Interlibrary loan was important to me in that, while OSU had most of the good engineering books, PSU occasionally had one I was interested in as well. What is and isn't available to the public these days has gotten rather messy now that universities get so much of their research funding from private industry, it seems. ---Joel |