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From: Kurt Ullman on 14 Feb 2010 08:12 In article <93pen51mabbe4pm823du0rgg2rl7letmp3(a)navasgroup.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:40:36 -0500, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> > wrote in <pJydnQtXdeU4_-rWnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>: > > >In article <sdnen5hkq3u4njd127gftj4tatc2lo2fjq(a)navasgroup.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >> I've already refuted it with an authoritative unbiased study. > >> You're very biased Dan. > > > Is that available on the Net. I haven't been able to find it on > >Google. I have concerns about the definition of "shortfalls in > >spending" before I can say it refutes or is authoritative. > > I don't know. So you took the Cliff notes version, that happened to include a part you agreed with, and call it "authoritative" without actually looking at the details. Should have expected nothing more from someone who dismisses a view against theirs because of the perceived conservativeness instead of the actual work. -- I get off on '57 Chevys I get off on screamin' guitars --Eric Clapton
From: DanS on 14 Feb 2010 20:08
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:MqedncZCupBIa- rWnZ2dnUVZ_i1i4p2d(a)earthlink.com: > In article <93pen51mabbe4pm823du0rgg2rl7letmp3(a)navasgroup.com>, > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:40:36 -0500, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote in <pJydnQtXdeU4_-rWnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>: >> >> >In article <sdnen5hkq3u4njd127gftj4tatc2lo2fjq(a)navasgroup.com>, >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I've already refuted it with an authoritative unbiased study. >> >> You're very biased Dan. >> >> > Is that available on the Net. I haven't been able to find it on >> >Google. I have concerns about the definition of "shortfalls in >> >spending" before I can say it refutes or is authoritative. >> >> I don't know. > > So you took the Cliff notes version, that happened to include a part > you agreed with, and call it "authoritative" without actually looking at > the details. I wasn't even the Cliff notes version....it was the abstract/summary paragraph that is shown at the websites where you can buy the report. Abstract in full........... "In 1993, the Campaign for Fiscal Equity (CFE) challenged New York State's school financing system on the grounds that it failed to provide students sufficient opportunity for a sound basic education in New York City. CFE prevailed in 2003, after the case went before the New York Court of Appeals, and the state's funding system was determined to be unconstitutional and ordered to be altered to ensure "adequate" funding. The final decision decreed that before any remediation take place, an objective study be conducted to determine how much it would cost to provide an "adequate" education for all public school students in the state, on which this article is based. Although a professional judgment approach forms the centerpiece of the work, components of the analysis draw on other methodological tools (i.e., public engagement, expert panels, and successful schools) to further support the results. We find that for a majority of districts significantly higher levels of spending are required if the state wishes to provide a sound basic education to all public school students. Furthermore, the results show a clear negative relationship between the district-level shortfall in spending and educational outcomes across virtually all student subpopulations." |