From: Christopher A. Lee on
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:02:06 -0600, Char Jackson <none(a)none.invalid>
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:44:24 GMT, sfdavidkaye2(a)yahoo.com (David Kaye)
>wrote:
>
>>Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is already being piloted. Some states are trying to decide if
>>>GPS reporting back to the State can be used for road taxes, since we are
>>>driving more miles with more efficiency and the old way isn't making
>>>enough money.
>>
>>Okay, you run a state. Your state is $20 billion in debt. Where do you cut?
>
>Radical, perhaps, but I'd put marijuana in the same category as
>alcohol. Make it available everywhere and tax it. Turn the $20b debt
>into a surplus.

When I still lived in England my neighbour was a police inspector in
the drug squad. He said that too - it would also keep the users away
from the criminals.
From: Jeff Liebermann on
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:39:11 -0800, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

>>Most rental cars already include some form of data logger.
>
>Most? In all of the many rentals I've been doing there's no GPS unless
>I pay extra for a navigation system, which I don't do because Google
>Maps on my cell is quite sufficient.

Well, you right (this time only). It's been a few years since I've
rented a car and things seem to have changed.

>What company? I use Avis (and a few others), and haven't seen anything
>like that.

Budget Rent-A-Car in Santa Cruz before it became Enterprise Rent-A-Car
(about 2-3 years ago). I rented a tiny Chevy something for a day. I
didn't bother tearing into the trunk looking for the goodies. There
was no GPS mapping display, but there was a round patch antenna on the
trunk lid. I had no problem with the tracking device as long as it
was properly disclosed.

However, apparently there is now a law in California making it illegal
to use GPS tracking devices for imposing extra charges:

"Can Car Rental Companies Use Technology to Monitor Our Driving?"
<http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ramasastry/20050823.html>
In California, for instance, car rental companies may no longer
use GPS information to impose surcharges, fines or penalties
relating to the renter's use of a leased vehicle.

Digging for the actual law, I find under Civil Code Section 1936:
<http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=95690528138+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve>
(6) This subdivision does not prohibit a rental company from
obtaining, accessing, or using information from electronic
surveillance technology for the sole purpose of determining
the date and time the vehicle is returned to the rental company,
and the total mileage driven and the vehicle fuel level of the
returned vehicle. This paragraph, however, shall apply only
after the renter has returned the vehicle to the rental company,
and the information shall only be used for the purpose described
in this paragraph.

(p) A rental company shall not use electronic surveillance
technology to track a renter in order to impose fines or surcharges
relating to the renter's use of the rental vehicle.

More:
"Some Rental Cars Are Keeping Tabs on the Drivers"
<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/13/business/13gps.html>




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From: John Navas on
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:09:57 -0500, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com>
wrote in <6KmdneZtLPWrHenWnZ2dnUVZ_qNi4p2d(a)earthlink.com>:

>In article <4au8n51ecv1aa21tgg246m49n2t8itjlil(a)4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:18:18 -0500, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com>
>> wrote in <fbmdnY3mwsSG6enWnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)earthlink.com>:

>> > There is absolutely no correlation between money spent on education
>> >and outcomes. ...
>>
>> Patently not true.
>
> Patently true. Look at the stats.

Been there; done that. If you reduce funding to zero, then outcomes
would most definitely change. In short, patently not true.

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From: John Navas on
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:02:06 -0600, Char Jackson <none(a)none.invalid>
wrote in <icd9n55qpl61v3eau8ds7t6mg7uicupuqh(a)4ax.com>:

>On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:44:24 GMT, sfdavidkaye2(a)yahoo.com (David Kaye)
>wrote:
>
>>Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is already being piloted. Some states are trying to decide if
>>>GPS reporting back to the State can be used for road taxes, since we are
>>>driving more miles with more efficiency and the old way isn't making
>>>enough money.
>>
>>Okay, you run a state. Your state is $20 billion in debt. Where do you cut?
>
>Radical, perhaps, but I'd put marijuana in the same category as
>alcohol. Make it available everywhere and tax it. Turn the $20b debt
>into a surplus.

Unfortunately that would come at the expense of more productive economic
activity -- TANSTAAFL. Much the same logic is behind state-sponsored
gambling, which is mostly a tax on the poor, and thus beloved of more
well-to-do conservatives.

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From: Kurt Ullman on
In article <srran59mloasjsjs6jisaq9f4pdo27f2cd(a)4ax.com>,
John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:09:57 -0500, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote in <6KmdneZtLPWrHenWnZ2dnUVZ_qNi4p2d(a)earthlink.com>:
>
> >In article <4au8n51ecv1aa21tgg246m49n2t8itjlil(a)4ax.com>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:18:18 -0500, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com>
> >> wrote in <fbmdnY3mwsSG6enWnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d(a)earthlink.com>:
>
> >> > There is absolutely no correlation between money spent on education
> >> >and outcomes. ...
> >>
> >> Patently not true.
> >
> > Patently true. Look at the stats.
>
> Been there; done that. If you reduce funding to zero, then outcomes
> would most definitely change. In short, patently not true.

Which of course is not what we were talking about. The facts still
remain that the lower expenditure per pupil places pump out more
graduates and more that go to college than the higher expenditure
levels. There is little or no correlation between money spent and
educational outcomes.

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