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From: John Navas on 12 Feb 2010 17:24 On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:21:57 -0600, Char Jackson <none(a)none.invalid> wrote in <51lbn5diroht30a00upfce8mtuv7g60eki(a)4ax.com>: >On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:13:20 -0800, John Navas ><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:52:59 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters >><jerry(a)example.invalid> wrote in >><hl4ijr$eep$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>: >> >>>In alt.internet.wireless John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:26:19 -0600, Char Jackson <none(a)none.invalid> >>>> wrote in <s87bn5tftiose7j8if8dl0dvbjp6d9m9br(a)4ax.com>: >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:14:15 -0800, John Navas >>>>><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Unfortunately that would come at the expense of more productive economic >>>>>>activity -- TANSTAAFL. Much the same logic is behind state-sponsored >>>>>>gambling, which is mostly a tax on the poor, and thus beloved of more >>>>>>well-to-do conservatives. >>>>> >>>>>Total hogwash, but I know better than to engage in a discussion with >>>>>you, so go ahead by yourself. >>>> >>>> In other words, you have nothing persuasive to say in rebuttal. >>>> >>>No John, you don't listen to the rebuttals. >> >>No Jerry, I'm just not impressed by unsupported claims. > >Waitaminute, the king of unsupported claims isn't impressed by >unsupported claims? I'm shocked, but I guess you make an exception >when it comes to yourself. (See above) Ad hominem, the final refuge of those with nothing persuasive to say. -- Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://wireless.navas.us> John FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
From: Char Jackson on 12 Feb 2010 17:43 On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:24:28 -0800, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:21:57 -0600, Char Jackson <none(a)none.invalid> >wrote in <51lbn5diroht30a00upfce8mtuv7g60eki(a)4ax.com>: > >>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:13:20 -0800, John Navas >><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:52:59 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters >>><jerry(a)example.invalid> wrote in >>><hl4ijr$eep$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>: >>> >>>>In alt.internet.wireless John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:26:19 -0600, Char Jackson <none(a)none.invalid> >>>>> wrote in <s87bn5tftiose7j8if8dl0dvbjp6d9m9br(a)4ax.com>: >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:14:15 -0800, John Navas >>>>>><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>Unfortunately that would come at the expense of more productive economic >>>>>>>activity -- TANSTAAFL. Much the same logic is behind state-sponsored >>>>>>>gambling, which is mostly a tax on the poor, and thus beloved of more >>>>>>>well-to-do conservatives. >>>>>> >>>>>>Total hogwash, but I know better than to engage in a discussion with >>>>>>you, so go ahead by yourself. >>>>> >>>>> In other words, you have nothing persuasive to say in rebuttal. >>>>> >>>>No John, you don't listen to the rebuttals. >>> >>>No Jerry, I'm just not impressed by unsupported claims. >> >>Waitaminute, the king of unsupported claims isn't impressed by >>unsupported claims? I'm shocked, but I guess you make an exception >>when it comes to yourself. (See above) > >Ad hominem, the final refuge of those with nothing persuasive to say. Cute, but not persuasive. Try supporting your claims above, but I know you won't.
From: Jeff Liebermann on 12 Feb 2010 20:18 On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:59:43 -0800, JC Dill <jcdill.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Back-in-the-day you could rent an RV and say you were going camping near >Tahoe but today you need to disclose that you *are* taking it to Burning >Man and pay a surcharge for cleaning after you return it. That would be quite a surcharge. My previous vehicle, a 1993 Isuzu Trooper, spent some time at Burning Man compliments of the previous owner. The entire engine and much of the undercarriage was covered with baked on very fine grit white playa sand. Chemical attack and a wire brush was the only things that would touch the stuff. It was very much like trying to clean sandpaper. Various compartments inside were also full of the sand. I've been in the middle east and have never seen sand that fine and sticky. It's more like dust than sand. Yep, I can see the problem. What this has to do with the FBI demanding web logs from ISP's can be left to the imagination. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
From: Steve Fenwick on 13 Feb 2010 01:10 In article <ce6bn5taqnv3a3lsblp24l4vogjiqntusp(a)4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:16:23 -0800, JC Dill <jcdill.lists(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > >Jeff Liebermann wrote: > > > >> However, apparently there is now a law in California making it illegal > >> to use GPS tracking devices for imposing extra charges: > >> > >> "Can Car Rental Companies Use Technology to Monitor Our Driving?" > >> <http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ramasastry/20050823.html> > >> In California, for instance, car rental companies may no longer > >> use GPS information to impose surcharges, fines or penalties > >> relating to the renter's use of a leased vehicle. > > > >I bet that they store this info with your name and license number, and > >will refuse to rent to you in the future if you previously violated your > >rental contract - e.g. took a rental into Mexico or drove it off-road, > >in violation of the contract terms. > > Yep. For example: > <http://www.elliott.org/blog/national-blacklists-customer-after-credit-card-di > spute/> > <http://www.elliott.org/the-troubleshooter/blacklisted-by-national/> > Just about every business I work with (fixing computahs) has some kind > of customer blacklist. The way I read the law, the rental company > cannot use GPS data to tack on added charges, but seems to be allowed > to use it for many other things, including running a blacklist. Break > the rules, and we can't legally soak you. Just don't come back. Yep, > that works. > > Incidentally, I think I may have violated the off-road part. The road > to my house would have probably qualified as off-road or 4wd > accessible. It might also have triggered an accelerometer limit. I > didn't drive it off-road. Them were speed bumps. Also, GPS doesn't > work very well in the hills and tall trees. You don't have to go very far off-road, or off-road at all, to be off-GPS maps. Large swaths of the Eastern Shore of Maryland west of US50 id not show up in the Hertz Never Lost when I was there a couple of years ago. Steve -- steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, chip shot in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"
From: DanS on 13 Feb 2010 09:16
>>>>> In other words, you have nothing persuasive to say in rebuttal. >>>>> >>>>No John, you don't listen to the rebuttals. >>> >>>No Jerry, I'm just not impressed by unsupported claims. >> >>Waitaminute, the king of unsupported claims isn't impressed by >>unsupported claims? I'm shocked, but I guess you make an exception >>when it comes to yourself. (See above) > > Ad hominem, the final refuge of those with nothing persuasive to say. Or.......what happens when you're talking to a narcissistic rock-head. |