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From: -hh on 24 Mar 2010 10:24 On Mar 24, 9:21 am, chrisv <chr...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > nospam wrote: > >In article <lv9qn.6898$Ek4.1...(a)newsfe24.iad>, Mocassin joe > ><joemocasa...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > >> But you didn't answer my question; what if the built-in space is exceeded? > > >what if the external storage is exceeded? there's a limit to > >everything. > > Removable storage devices are *not* generally used to "add" storage, > you clueless fscking idiot. That's *not* what people use them for. Well gosh then ... just EMAIL the damn file. -hh
From: -hh on 24 Mar 2010 10:47 On Mar 24, 9:08 am, chrisv <chr...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > Mocassin joe wrote: > >So how is it then that they can be as greedy as you claim they are ... > >and yet fail to add a USB port in order to rake in more gold? > > >Please explain. > > Look, it's pretty obvious that Apple's game is sell you applications > and media. To encourage to to buy your applications and media from > them, and not someone else, they have various methods of locking-down > their systems. Their desire to do this offsets the additional appeal > that the product would gain by having things like USB ports and > SD-card slots. Sorry, but that doesn't fly, for two reasons. First, Apple isn't predominantly "applications and media": if you've looked at their SEC filings, you'll realize that the sale of *hardware* is still their majority interest. Second, the basis of your argument is that adding a USB ... which is a hardware asset ... would increase their sales of hardware. Isn't it more profitable to make $100 profit on a $500 hardware device every few years than to make a fraction of that in music/media sales? Since you're inclined to say No, here's the implications: The iTunes store has been open for 7 years and has reportedly sold 5 billion songs...that sounds like a lot until you realize that there's been roughly 250 million iPods sold. As such, the math works out to 5/.250 = 20 songs per iPod sold, which over the past 7 years, 20/7 = ~3 songs ($3) per year. But that's a gross, before the record labels are paid. There was a 2007 report that said that Apple pays $0.65/song to the record labels, so if that's still roughly correct, then at $0.99/song, Apple gets to keep ~1/3rd of this $3/year revenue stream ... but they also have to pay all of their Server & delivery expenses out of this share, so its still not yet a measure of "profit". Assuming that these overhead expenses are only 50% (IMO its higher), then Apple is perhaps clearing as much as of 50 cents per iPod per year in actual "media" profits here. Over a 5 year hardware product lifespan, Apple is making $2.50 in profit...an utter pittance in comparison to how much they made on the original hardware, so this argument is the tail trying to wag the dog. > Good for Apple, I'm sure. Good for the customer, IMO no, in spite of > the existence an the large cult following that has implicate faith > that Apple knows what's best for them. Hey, my Blackberry doesn't have an SD (or mini/micro variant) slot either, so this isn't just unique to Apple. And while it does have a mini-USB, perhaps you could enlighten us all on how that must automatically mean that I can somehow hook up an external HD to it, or a DVD player, since I can't find anything to that effect in the owner's manual. -hh
From: Ian Hilliard on 24 Mar 2010 11:20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 nospam wrote: > In article <pan.2010.03.22.16.10.10.772538(a)nospam.invalid>, chrisv > <chrisv(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> "Additional cost" is an extremely lame, dare I say "asinine", excuse for >> not having USB ports in a premium-priced product like the iPad. > > if the typical user isn't going to use the usb ports, it's a waste of > money, regardless of cost. the ipad is also not premium priced. in > fact, people were surprised that it didn't cost *more*. A typical user IS going to want to transfer content in an out using a USB-Stick. A typical user is going to want to hook up to a camera using a USB cable. A typical user is occasionally going to want to connect to an Ethernet cable. This would have been possible with an Apple USB to Ethernet adapter. A typical user is going to want to be able to back up their system using a USB drive. Not having USB is very short sighted. Ian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuqLbIACgkQ0DzqJNlXtD62XwCcCb4kthiGOJ0BSYqgz3pMwdCg +QUAnRSc+G1ZgzYyjMP4f7Wz5XqFvFi/ =77OM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: ZnU on 24 Mar 2010 11:46 In article <8k2kq59ern8n2fu73pr21hpp487n7fmd6a(a)4ax.com>, chrisv <chrisv(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > JEDIDIAH wrote: > > > Mocassin joe <joemocasanto(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> "nospam" wrote: > >>> > >>> Peter K�hlmann > >>>> > >>>> Amazon does not attribute all kinds of capabilities to its machine. > >>> > >>> neither does apple. > >> > >> I think for Jobs to tout it as "revolutionary" and "magical" says they do. > > > > There was also some rhetoric indicating that they think that this > >thing will displace netbooks. > > > > Now since this thing has an office suite planned for it, it is clearly > >meant to be a little more than another PMP or a Kindle knockoff. The cult > >members (and the sniping Lemmings) won't let actual facts get in the way > >of their faith in the one true Jobs. > > Znu was talking about this thing, or something just like it, as being > a possible desktop replacement, when equipped with external keyboard > and monitor. That was more long-term, though there will be some users who can use it as an 80% replacement initially. In the long run... the iPad is not a Mac, and is not initially positioned as a desktop computer replacement. This is very significant. It means the iPad has the potential to sell far more units than the Mac, since it's not competing directly with a monopoly platform. The strategy of establishing the iPad as a compliment to a desktop computer and then slowly evolving the platform into desktop replacement status seems obvious. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: -hh on 24 Mar 2010 11:49
Ian Hilliard <nos...(a)hilliardtech.com> wrote: > nospam wrote: > > > > if the typical user isn't going to use the usb ports, it's a waste of > > money, regardless of cost. the ipad is also not premium priced. in > > fact, people were surprised that it didn't cost *more*. > > A typical user IS going to want to ... First off, there's a tad of a difference between an "if..then" logical generalization and making a declarative prediction of the future. > ...transfer content in an out using a USB-Stick. Perhaps, but let's also keep in mind that USB is merely one particular implementation *of* a capability (connectivity). As such, the first question to be asked is if the device already has adequate connectivity via other means? WiFi and Bluetooth come to mind: how hard would it be to back up the connectivity question to whatever device _wrote_ onto the USB Stick and simply do a wireless transfer? Or if its not in the temporal vicinity, then via an email (via WiFi or 3G) transfer? When all you have is a USB "hammer", then all of your problems will assume to be "nails". > A typical user is going to want to hook up to a camera using > a USB cable. Apple is selling an OEM solution for IIRC, $29. > A typical user is occasionally going to want to connect to > an Ethernet cable. Have you stayed in a low range business class domestic hotel anytime in the past, oh... half decade? Chains like the Hampton Inn have installed free WiFi, since this was less expensive to refit into each room than hardwired Ethernet. > This would have been possible with an Apple USB to > Ethernet adapter. If you frequently encounter only a hardwired Ethernet cable, then a whopping $25 will get you the accessory of something like a D-Link DI-624 802.11g WIFI router. > A typical user is going to want to be able to back up > their system using a USB drive. More typically, a user is probably going to want an easy way to manage all of whatever type of data that he wishes to snych onto the device. This is perhaps why Apple ships the iPad with a USB cable, which would be plugged into a host Mac/PC and integrated with iTunes: the existing desktop/laptop serves as the server and data backup...and it is listed on Apple's Tech Specs page as a system requirement (just like all of their iPods have been for years) > Not having USB is very short sighted. Perhaps, but you do need to make a more compelling argument to convince some readers. And if you're going to affirm your claim that typical users ARE going to demand having the hardwired USB feature, then we should probably also ask what the repercussions are if you've made an error: how is your prediction to be objectively and quantitatively measured? Otherwise, your assertion is effectively as useless as any old random string of numbers which are claimed to be next week's winning Powerball numbers. If you wish to persist, then detail out your claim's metrics (win/ lose), and decide how many $$ you're going to offer up to be held by some trustworthy third party for whatever second party may very well disagree with you and thus, take you up on your prediction. -hh |