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From: Sam Wormley on 2 Jan 2010 14:14 On 1/2/10 1:04 PM, Bill Ward wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:09:45 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: > >> On 1/1/10 9:06 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/HadCRUT3.jpg >>> >>> >> >> Gee: there seems to be some discrepancy here! >> >> Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase >> >> http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp- > trends.gif >> >> Now what could that be, bubba? > > A misleading graph, out of date by half a decade. > http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif is not out of date... it is a record of global surface temperature trends from 1850 through 2005. Incidentally 2005 was one of the hottest years on record... same for 2007... I wonder how 2009 is fair?
From: Sam Wormley on 2 Jan 2010 14:18 On 1/2/10 9:47 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:00:50 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 1/2/10 8:54 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >> >>> >>> If Hansen were to use raw weather data, >>> I could try to understand what is going on, >>> but as long as every number is modified for >>> one reason or another, I have no confidence, >>> and that makes me more of a skeptic than >>> I would normally be when my observations >>> do not match the published data. >> >> Speaking of your buddy, Hanson, here are slides from >> Jim Hansen's Bjerknes Lecture at San Francisco AGU meeting >> Dec. 17, 2008 >> http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/AGUBjerknes_20081217.pdf > > > Please check the name spelling, when I > am joking I get it wrong on purpose, but you > should never get it wrong in a reference. > > How am I to tell when you are joking?
From: I M on 2 Jan 2010 16:16 On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:00:40 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 1/2/10 9:24 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:07:19 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 1/2/10 8:01 AM, TUKA wrote: >>>> On 2010-01-02, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 1/2/10 7:37 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no auto-continuing "trend" in local >>>>>> or global temperatures, please get off my back >>>>>> unless the weather at least gets up to normal, >>>>>> the present projected length of this cold spell >>>>>> is extraordinary. >>>>>> >>>>>> You and woger have the cool Pacific to >>>>>> moderate your weather, I am right in the >>>>>> path of the Alberta Clippers. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You do like to complain about the cold weather! >>>>> You probably wish there was.... wait for it.... >>>>> Global Warming! >>>>> >>>> >>>> What? Wait until all the current predictors are in their graves? >>>> >>>> If they couldn't predict the current cooling, then they can't predict >>>> future heating either. >>>> >>> >>> 1998, 2005 and 2007 being the three hottest years recently >>> doesn't support your claim of "cooling" >>> >>> Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase >>> >>> http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif >> >> >> And 1932, 1934, and 1952 were just as hot, >> at least before the books were cooked. >> >> My thoughts are "just why did anybody >> settle down where it gets so cold?". >> >> Most of the "civilized" industrial world >> has an average temperature lower than >> the published global average, and here >> we see idiot activists wanting us to reduce >> the amount of heating fuel used. > > Why don't you embrace and enjoy the seasonal changes? > Beats living in California, Texas or Florida! Really? I lived in Pasadena in 1963-1965 and loved it, I could see snow 6 months a year, 30 miles away, that is where it belongs. I lived in Austin 1982-1990, some of the hot spells got monotonous, but over all I liked the weather. I consider the trees with no leaves to be ugly as all get-out, Palm Trees and tropical scenery is beautiful. I keep hoping for Global Warming, but that CO2 increase must be making it colder. Single digit F weather here is fairly common, one or two days every few years, but two weeks of it is "climate change", but don't try to tell me it is AGW.
From: I M on 2 Jan 2010 16:23 On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:04:50 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 1/2/10 9:44 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:53:18 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 1/2/10 8:41 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:45:46 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 1/2/10 7:37 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >>>>>> There is no auto-continuing "trend" in local >>>>>> or global temperatures, please get off my back >>>>>> unless the weather at least gets up to normal, >>>>>> the present projected length of this cold spell >>>>>> is extraordinary. >>>>>> >>>>>> You and woger have the cool Pacific to >>>>>> moderate your weather, I am right in the >>>>>> path of the Alberta Clippers. >>>>> >>>>> You do like to complain about the cold weather! >>>>> You probably wish there was.... wait for it.... >>>>> Global Warming! >>>> >>>> No, just local warming, I have no desire to >>>> control or affect the lives and comfort of others. >>>> >>>> This location traditionally had a couple >>>> of 100 degree days a year, this year the high >>>> for the year was 92, not really enough to dry >>>> out the swamp paths. >>>> >>> >>> Can't say for your location, but in Iowa one result of >>> global warming is an increase in rainfall and an increase >>> in relative humidity and dewpoint. That has the effect of >>> decreasing high temperatures during the daytime and >>> increasing low temperatures at night (less cooling). >> >> >> You are nuts, aren't you? :-) > >Born out by the data: > >Here's some data from Iowa State University > http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/faculty/takle/presentations.html > >More from University of Iowa > >http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/faculty-staff/profile-directory/cee/schnoor_j.php I don't question the weather station data as long as a climatologist hasn't "adjusted" it, it is the apparent attribution to a few years change in moisture that is outlandish, surely you have seen patterns of "continental flow" occur. >> Decreasing high temperatures during the daytime >> and increasing low temperatures at night, how awful, >> how will you survive? > > After the summer of 1988, I embrace the cooler Iowa summers > as a result of global warming. And with close to 2 inched > extra precipitation per year, it's greener! It was August of 2007 here where a Bermuda high got stuck a little farther north and west than usual, causing extremely dry air the whole month, and that allowed the temperature to be close to 100 the whole time. It wasn't AGW.
From: Sam Wormley on 2 Jan 2010 16:23
On 1/2/10 3:16 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:00:40 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 1/2/10 9:24 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:07:19 -0600, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/2/10 8:01 AM, TUKA wrote: >>>>> On 2010-01-02, Sam Wormley<swormley1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 1/2/10 7:37 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no auto-continuing "trend" in local >>>>>>> or global temperatures, please get off my back >>>>>>> unless the weather at least gets up to normal, >>>>>>> the present projected length of this cold spell >>>>>>> is extraordinary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You and woger have the cool Pacific to >>>>>>> moderate your weather, I am right in the >>>>>>> path of the Alberta Clippers. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You do like to complain about the cold weather! >>>>>> You probably wish there was.... wait for it.... >>>>>> Global Warming! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What? Wait until all the current predictors are in their graves? >>>>> >>>>> If they couldn't predict the current cooling, then they can't predict >>>>> future heating either. >>>>> >>>> >>>> 1998, 2005 and 2007 being the three hottest years recently >>>> doesn't support your claim of "cooling" >>>> >>>> Global surface (land and sea) temperature increase >>>> >>>> http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/images/global-surface-temp-trends.gif >>> >>> >>> And 1932, 1934, and 1952 were just as hot, >>> at least before the books were cooked. >>> >>> My thoughts are "just why did anybody >>> settle down where it gets so cold?". >>> >>> Most of the "civilized" industrial world >>> has an average temperature lower than >>> the published global average, and here >>> we see idiot activists wanting us to reduce >>> the amount of heating fuel used. >> >> Why don't you embrace and enjoy the seasonal changes? >> Beats living in California, Texas or Florida! > > > Really? I lived in Pasadena in 1963-1965 > and loved it, I could see snow 6 months a year, > 30 miles away, that is where it belongs. > > I lived in Austin 1982-1990, some of > the hot spells got monotonous, but over > all I liked the weather. > > I consider the trees with no leaves > to be ugly as all get-out, Palm Trees and > tropical scenery is beautiful. > > I keep hoping for Global Warming, > but that CO2 increase must be making > it colder. > > Single digit F weather here is fairly > common, one or two days every few years, > but two weeks of it is "climate change", > but don't try to tell me it is AGW. > Sounds like Texas is where you need to be now. Home sweat home! |