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From: Marvin the Martian on 3 Jan 2010 16:26 On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:26:46 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:09:29 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>On 1/2/10 11:00 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:53:18 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: >>> >>> < one big post hoc fallacy snipped> >>> >>> You know, real scientist try NOT to make a post hoc fallacy. >>> >>> Columbus got the Indians to feed him and his crew by telling them that >>> if they didn't feed them, the gods would eat the moon. Columbus knew >>> from his ephemerids that there was going to be a lunar eclipse. The >>> Indians were totally fooled. "You're not feeding us, and the moon is >>> being eaten. Ergo, your not feeding us has caused the moon to be >>> eaten". Bad logic. Pity the Indians had never heard of logic. >> >> Columbus might have died earlier had it been overcast during that >> eclipse! >> >> >>> This is an example of what the AGWers are doing. Only since it's >>> pretty damned obvious that mean global temperature ISN'T increasing, >>> they now say that ANY CHANGE, up, down or sideways, is caused by man. >>> >>> It is so damned stupid that it would be funny that anyone would even >>> utter such silliness, but people FALL for this foolishness. >> >> Marvin, I think you are blinded by your biases. You can no longer be >> objective and look at what the science is telling us. I want you to >> start taking global climate change seriously--not that we are going >> to be able to do much about it--but learn what is really taking place >> on this planet. > > > Oh, Geez, now you are assigning projects? > > Be careful, putting people in charge is > dangerous, they take the job seriously. For a stupid git, Wormley sure is smug. I think he's just a troll.
From: I M on 3 Jan 2010 17:29 On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:52:21 -0600, Marvin the Martian <marvin(a)ontomars.org> wrote: >On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:04:50 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: > >> On 1/2/10 9:44 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: > >>> You are nuts, aren't you? :-) >> >> Born out by the data: >> >> Here's some data from Iowa State University >> http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/faculty/takle/presentations.html >> >> More from University of Iowa >> >> http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/faculty-staff/profile-directory/cee/ >schnoor_j.php >> >> >> >>> >>> Decreasing high temperatures during the daytime >>> and increasing low temperatures at night, how awful, how will you >>> survive? >> >> After the summer of 1988, I embrace the cooler Iowa summers as a >> result of global warming. And with close to 2 inched extra >> precipitation per year, it's greener! > >Okay... I just gotta killfile Wormley for awhile. I debunked his silly >websites over and over, and he just ignores it. Now "global warming" >means cooler climate. > >I'm losing respect for Earthlings and general and I'm beginning to regard >Earthlings from the American midwest as brain damaged idiots no more >intelligent than the swine they raise. I gotta stop reading Wormley for >awhile. Now look, Marvin, I am from the midwest, and I know that GHGs are what cool the atmosphere, so please don't make generalized slurs.
From: Sam Wormley on 3 Jan 2010 17:38 On 1/3/10 4:29 PM, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:52:21 -0600, Marvin the Martian >> >> Okay... I just gotta killfile Wormley for awhile. I debunked his silly >> websites over and over, and he just ignores it. Now "global warming" >> means cooler climate. >> >> I'm losing respect for Earthlings and general and I'm beginning to regard >> Earthlings from the American midwest as brain damaged idiots no more >> intelligent than the swine they raise. I gotta stop reading Wormley for >> awhile. > > Now look, Marvin, I am from the midwest, and > I know that GHGs are what cool the atmosphere, so > please don't make generalized slurs. > Marvin just needs to take a break. As for what role green house gasses play in global climate and global climate change, we do no agree. I will continue to try to get the physics right when posting in this physics newsgroup.
From: Marvin the Martian on 3 Jan 2010 19:28 On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:29:13 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote: > On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:52:21 -0600, Marvin the Martian > <marvin(a)ontomars.org> wrote: > >>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:04:50 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: >> >>> On 1/2/10 9:44 AM, I M @ good guy wrote: >> >>>> You are nuts, aren't you? :-) >>> >>> Born out by the data: >>> >>> Here's some data from Iowa State University >>> http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/faculty/takle/presentations.html >>> >>> More from University of Iowa >>> >>> http://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/faculty-staff/profile-directory/cee/ >>schnoor_j.php >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Decreasing high temperatures during the daytime >>>> and increasing low temperatures at night, how awful, how will you >>>> survive? >>> >>> After the summer of 1988, I embrace the cooler Iowa summers as a >>> result of global warming. And with close to 2 inched extra >>> precipitation per year, it's greener! >> >>Okay... I just gotta killfile Wormley for awhile. I debunked his silly >>websites over and over, and he just ignores it. Now "global warming" >>means cooler climate. >> >>I'm losing respect for Earthlings and general and I'm beginning to >>regard Earthlings from the American midwest as brain damaged idiots no >>more intelligent than the swine they raise. I gotta stop reading Wormley >>for awhile. > > Now look, Marvin, I am from the midwest, and > I know that GHGs are what cool the atmosphere, so please don't make > generalized slurs. I'm Sorry.
From: I M on 4 Jan 2010 01:22
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:26:41 -0600, Marvin the Martian <marvin(a)ontomars.org> wrote: >On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:26:46 -0500, I M @ good guy wrote: > >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:09:29 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>On 1/2/10 11:00 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: >>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:53:18 -0600, Sam Wormley wrote: >>>> >>>> < one big post hoc fallacy snipped> >>>> >>>> You know, real scientist try NOT to make a post hoc fallacy. >>>> >>>> Columbus got the Indians to feed him and his crew by telling them that >>>> if they didn't feed them, the gods would eat the moon. Columbus knew >>>> from his ephemerids that there was going to be a lunar eclipse. The >>>> Indians were totally fooled. "You're not feeding us, and the moon is >>>> being eaten. Ergo, your not feeding us has caused the moon to be >>>> eaten". Bad logic. Pity the Indians had never heard of logic. >>> >>> Columbus might have died earlier had it been overcast during that >>> eclipse! >>> >>> >>>> This is an example of what the AGWers are doing. Only since it's >>>> pretty damned obvious that mean global temperature ISN'T increasing, >>>> they now say that ANY CHANGE, up, down or sideways, is caused by man. >>>> >>>> It is so damned stupid that it would be funny that anyone would even >>>> utter such silliness, but people FALL for this foolishness. >>> >>> Marvin, I think you are blinded by your biases. You can no longer be >>> objective and look at what the science is telling us. I want you to >>> start taking global climate change seriously--not that we are going >>> to be able to do much about it--but learn what is really taking place >>> on this planet. >> >> >> Oh, Geez, now you are assigning projects? >> >> Be careful, putting people in charge is >> dangerous, they take the job seriously. > >For a stupid git, Wormley sure is smug. I think he's just a troll. I don't think so, he fell for the AGW line, felt a compulsion to spread the word, had not used any logic to evaluate the gossip factor in GHG theory, but may be re-assessing the situation. Take it easy on the AGW believers, they really feel distraught when they realize how bad they were snookered, the more education a person has the more difficult it is to accept being wrong. But no matter what effect CO2 has on climate, the increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration is a problem, although not as big a problem as the finite supply of liquid fuels. Everybody, even the most nutty AGW nut should be praying that added CO2 is not causing the present cold weather that seems to be most of the Northern Hemisphere, it is not the coldest by far, but the length of the cold snap could break all records and cause severe financial hardship, my water/sewer bill will at least double for the month, and my heating bill will not be lowered as I thought. |