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From: Jim Thompson on 19 Oct 2009 17:34 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:38:46 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Martin Brown wrote: >> John Larkin wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:48:15 +0100, Martin Brown >>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree that in the USA there is about 30% of the population >>>> determined to stuff themselves silly until they get type II diabetes, >>>> their knees and hips disintegrate. But that is fundamentally a >>>> problem of too much junk food and not enough exercise. A national >>>> health system encouraging better diet might actually decrease these >>>> costs. The existing private one doesn't care so long as the punters >>>> are insured and profitable. >>> >>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look >> >> True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan) >> obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being >> the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common. >> > >People don't have to eat it. I never do. They have choices, and brains. > > >> And it tends to be the poorer members of society that eat the most junk >> food - it is after all the cheapest mass produced food. >> > >That is a myth, and false. Lots of people think "Oh, a 99c burger, let's >all go there". Then the whole family scrambles into the car. Now li'l >Joey also wants a side order of fries and a coke. Oh, and ice cream. Ol' >Leroy is still hungry after the 99c burger and opts straight for >another, but this time the super-duper-$3.99-triple-decker. By the time >it's all said and done $30-$40 are gone, plus gasoline. For that kind of >money you can cook a fine meal and feed the whole family plus the >neighbors, and have leftovers. > > >>> it up. In the US, we have a large minority population that, I think, >>> is poorly adapted to the european-type diet full of wheat, meat, >>> sugar, and dairy products. Pacific Islanders and native Americans seem >>> most affected - rampant overweight and diabetes - and Africans too. >> >> But in the USA it is also the enormous portions of food at the popular >> restaurants that plays a part in supersizing the population. >> > >You can ask for smaller portions or, if well over 50, a senior-size meal >(less money). Also, they'll gladly pack you a doggie bag. Ownership of a >dog not required. It's all a matter of discipline. When do we stop >wanting the government or business to decide stuff for us? > > >>> The US policy of keeping up sugar prices hurts too, since corn syrup >>> is probably worse for health than real sugar. >> >> High fructose corn syrup is a pretty nasty concoction. It would not >> surprise me at all if it were implicated in causing diabetes. >> > >We don't even have it in our kitchen. Very little sweet stuff is used. >Tonight we will have a large mixed salad, slowly baked marinated pork >chops, roasted potatoes with onions. Costs less than fast food, tastes >infinitely better, and is healthy. Ok, the pork chops maybe not but in >moderation that's ok. Thanks so much for providing ample data for a troll-feeder filter. -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
From: Jim Thompson on 19 Oct 2009 17:34 On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:46:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >ChrisQ wrote: > >[...] > >> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is >> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no >> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else >> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from >> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff >> gets funded from the state with common consent. >> > >Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health care >in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In the >mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for the two >of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a non-private >plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. That is hardly >free, is it? > >[...] Thanks so much for providing ample data for a troll-feeder filter. -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
From: Jim Thompson on 19 Oct 2009 17:34 On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:59:07 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Martin Brown wrote: >> Joerg wrote: >>> ChrisQ wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is >>>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no >>>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else >> >> And health insurance is still offered as a (taxable) employee perk. >> >>>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from >>>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff >>>> gets funded from the state with common consent. >> >> Crucially in a medical emergency they do not look for your >> credit/insurance card first. >> >>> Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health >>> care in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In >>> the mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for >>> the two of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a >>> non-private plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. >>> That is hardly free, is it? >> >> 400 Euros/month? That seems a bit on the high side. > > >That is the top rate. As a consultant I had to pay 100% of premiums on >my own. > > >> What happens to those in Germany who cannot pay the premiums? >> > >The unemployed get it at taxpayer cost. People making less money must >pay, it is deducted as a percentage from their salary so in effect its a >sliding scale. They do not have any say in this, it's simply deducted. >Self-employed who do not pay have no insurance, they will get socked >into bankruptcy if they become really sick. Just like in the US. > > >> I can't recall exactly what it was in Belgium for the major operations >> state insurance option with a couple of thousand Euro excess but ISTR it >> was a lot less than that. But whichever way you look at it their system >> is way more efficient than the US robber baron model. >> > >When I look at cancer survival ratings I do not agree. Thanks so much for providing ample data for a troll-feeder filter. -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
From: Joerg on 19 Oct 2009 17:43 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:42:09 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:16:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:00:35 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:41:57 +0100, Baron >>>>>>>>> <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks >>>>>>>>>> for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day. >>>>>>>>>> Very little waste at all nowadays. >>>>>>>>> Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily. >>>>>>>>> Packages of chicken or hamburgers ... >>>>>>>> Packages? Euww. >>>>>>> Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in >>>>>>> patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they >>>>>>> cook and hold together better than home made. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hmm, our experiences are exactly opposite. Also, my wife has her secret >>>>>> recipe of how to spice burgers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>> I don't "pre-spice" burgers. What I do occasionally is put cheese >>>>> between two patties and press/seal the edges before grilling... inside >>>>> out cheeseburger ;-) >>>>> >>>> Pre-spicing is soooo good. We even do it with turkey, sometimes using a >>>> huge injection tool. >>>> >>>> For burgers my wife usually adds in crushed chips, one particular type. >>>> Put in ziplock bag, crush with pin roller until almost down to a powder. >>> I have occasionally used onion soup mix as a "filler" ;-) >>> >> Aha, looks like piece by piece we'll get a confession here :-) >> >> >>> I prefer Filet Mignon (or Rib Eye) myself ;-) >>> >> Ok, but you sure wouldn't every day. Yesterday we had ribs and bratwurst >>from the barbie. Yum. > > I must admit an affinity for German sausages... maybe sausages in > general ;-) > > Occasionally my wife brings home some German apple sausages for > breakfast... yum... yum... yum ;-) > That explains your recent admission to a slight rotundness :-) My all time favorite sausages are Johnsonville brats, the very spicy cajun kind. Better than any bratwurst I remember from Germany. Now don't tell the guys over in the German NG that I said this ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Devereux on 19 Oct 2009 17:53
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> writes: > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:46:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >>ChrisQ wrote: >> >>[...] >> >>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is >>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no >>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else >>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from >>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff >>> gets funded from the state with common consent. >>> >> >>Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health care >>in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In the >>mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for the two >>of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a non-private >>plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. That is hardly >>free, is it? >> >>[...] > > Thanks so much for providing ample data for a troll-feeder filter. Please stop spamming the group with this, you're as bad as that idiot from google who replies to every "spam" post. -- John Devereux |