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From: John Larkin on 19 Oct 2009 18:19 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:53:44 +0100, John Devereux <john(a)devereux.me.uk> wrote: >Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> writes: > >> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:46:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>>ChrisQ wrote: >>> >>>[...] >>> >>>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is >>>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no >>>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else >>>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from >>>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff >>>> gets funded from the state with common consent. >>>> >>> >>>Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health care >>>in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In the >>>mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for the two >>>of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a non-private >>>plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. That is hardly >>>free, is it? >>> >>>[...] >> >> Thanks so much for providing ample data for a troll-feeder filter. > >Please stop spamming the group with this, you're as bad as that idiot >from google who replies to every "spam" post. Senile old git has posted the same thing about 40 times. John
From: krw on 19 Oct 2009 19:55 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:00:35 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw wrote: >> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> krw wrote: >>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:41:57 +0100, Baron >>>> <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: > >[...] > >>>>> I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks >>>>> for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day. >>>>> Very little waste at all nowadays. >>>> Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily. >>>> Packages of chicken or hamburgers ... >>> >>> Packages? Euww. >> >> Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in >> patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they >> cook and hold together better than home made. >> > >Hmm, our experiences are exactly opposite. Also, my wife has her secret >recipe of how to spice burgers. Good beef is likely the only thing I don't like "spiced". Hamburger isn't really that good, but I still don't like it adulterated. >>> <boast_mode> >>> I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of >>> any sort, it's all done from scratch. >>> </boast_mode> >>> >>> >>>> ... get split up and frozen before >>>> cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in >>>> sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g. >>>> spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated. >>>> >>>>>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad, >>>>>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's >>>>>> meals are going to come from. >>>>>> >>>>> Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own. >>>> Two schools of thought on that one. >>>> >>> It's not good for the dogs. We never do that, and now we've got three. >> >> The other school of thought is that dogs (not cats) have eaten human >> scraps since they were domesticated (likely the reason they were >> domesticated was that they hung around humans, eating their waste). >> Personally, I'm with you. The "cereals" today are much better for >> dogs. >> > >Until very recently, maybe 100 years ago, that would have been perfectly >ok because humans ate whatever nature provided without prior industrial >processing. But nowdays many foods carry a laundry list of chemicals in >there. Our shepherd doesn't even tolerate preservatives in dog food, >results in a yucky brown splotch on the carpet. I don't remember, but ISTR that was my brother's (a veterinarian) point. He doesn't think much of it for humans, either. >>>>> But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally. >>>>> You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local >>>>> supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled. >>>> Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it >>>> away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the >>>> buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes >>>> the "logic". >>> >>> Yep, tort law is a huge problem in our country. But at least our food >>> bank goes out and picks up stuff from stores where they can see that it >>> won't sell by an expiration date. Plus fruits and vegetables from >>> gardens of congregation members, and that's the best stuff you can get. >> >> Wait until weenie lawyer gets done with your parishioners. >> > >We'll make sure they'll go straight to purgatory :-)) Which "they"? ;-) >Our church isn't rich and ambulance chasers only go after deep pockets >because what they are really interested in is their cut. They won't go after the church. That looks bad. They'll go after the people. >One lawyer here >just won a (fairly easy) malpractice case and pocketed roughly a cool >million bucks. That's our _real_ health care problem but under this >administration that will obviously not be fixed. That's only one of the problems. The main problem is the disconnect between the insurance policy owner, the insurance company, the service provider, and the patient. The free market can't work when the feedback is so opaque and convoluted.
From: krw on 19 Oct 2009 20:01 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:31:18 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:13:54 +0100, Martin Brown ><|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>Spehro Pefhany wrote: >>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:03:12 -0700, John Larkin >>> <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:08 +0100, Martin Brown >>>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Larkin wrote: >> >>>>>> Britain and even France are seeing increasing levels of obesity. Look >> >>>>> True enough. Wherever the US junk food diet is exported (even Japan) >>>>> obesity rapidly increases. McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken being >>>>> the worst offenders. Highly processed unhealthy food is far too common. >>> >>> Here is one thing KFC is currently offering in Asia:- >>> >>> http://www.speff.com/kfc.jpg >>> >>> In USD terms, that's the equivalent of $1.97 and the magic wand is >>> making another of those breading-encrusted deep fried chicken patties >>> appear for a modest 15-cent adder. They offer delivery too, in case >>> you're too fat to waddle a few blocks. Total EUR 1.42 (tax included). >>> >>> Looks like lots of mayo oozing out too.. >> >>Eating at KFC was by far the worst meal I ever had when I lived in >>Japan. I had to take one of our UK engineers there for comfort food to >>steady his nerves after an earthquake. He was staying in a tall central >>Tokyo hotel at the time. It wasn't that much of an earthquake either. >> >>KFC is unusually popular in Japan at Xmas time as they have a slightly >>mangled idea of what a Christmas dinner should be. > >KFC is greasy and gross. Popeye's (which started in New Orleans) is >the best fried chicken chain. Their chicken is Grade A and cooked >right, and their sides - cajun fries, red beans and rice - are >excellent. I'd rather drink from the Fry-O-Lator than eat KFC food. OTOH, Chick-Fil-A isn't too bad. I rarely eat at fast food restaurants anymore though. If I'm going to go out to eat I'll pay the couple of extra bucks for the service, table cloth, and real food, too. >But I can't rave over British cuisine. What's wrong with boiled potatoes, potatoes, and potatoes? >I did have some excellent >Italian food in Oxford, in a place run by Italians, but that's about >it. I'm not a fan of Indian food, so most meals in Britain were >ordeals. Italian is my favorite genre. Can't stand most Chinese, though did like it at a wedding reception we went to in Chinatown (NYC).
From: krw on 19 Oct 2009 20:05 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:21:31 +0100, ChrisQ <meru(a)devnull.com> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: > >> >> As Mo says about cooking in the Northeast, everything on the plate is >> white or brown or grey. Sort of like the cars. Here in the South everything has white gravy on it. Yuck! I found the Northeast had pretty much any sort of food you wanted. The South is much more limited than the NE (can't even get proper diner food here). >I was born on the the north and wasn't true even that long ago. Things >have moved on as well. The vegetables (white, green, orange) are steamed >and often al dente to preserve the nutrients... North <> Northeast. The North is famous for things like Lutefisk on a stick. ;-)
From: Joerg on 19 Oct 2009 20:15
krw wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:00:35 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> krw wrote: >>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> krw wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:41:57 +0100, Baron >>>>> <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: >> [...] >> >>>>>> I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks >>>>>> for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day. >>>>>> Very little waste at all nowadays. >>>>> Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily. >>>>> Packages of chicken or hamburgers ... >>>> Packages? Euww. >>> Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in >>> patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they >>> cook and hold together better than home made. >>> >> Hmm, our experiences are exactly opposite. Also, my wife has her secret >> recipe of how to spice burgers. > > Good beef is likely the only thing I don't like "spiced". Hamburger > isn't really that good, but I still don't like it adulterated. > With steak I agree. But you probably haven't tasted a cajun style Johnsonville brat yet. So you guys never marinate anything? >>>> <boast_mode> >>>> I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of >>>> any sort, it's all done from scratch. >>>> </boast_mode> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ... get split up and frozen before >>>>> cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in >>>>> sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g. >>>>> spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated. >>>>> >>>>>>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad, >>>>>>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's >>>>>>> meals are going to come from. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own. >>>>> Two schools of thought on that one. >>>>> >>>> It's not good for the dogs. We never do that, and now we've got three. >>> The other school of thought is that dogs (not cats) have eaten human >>> scraps since they were domesticated (likely the reason they were >>> domesticated was that they hung around humans, eating their waste). >>> Personally, I'm with you. The "cereals" today are much better for >>> dogs. >>> >> Until very recently, maybe 100 years ago, that would have been perfectly >> ok because humans ate whatever nature provided without prior industrial >> processing. But nowdays many foods carry a laundry list of chemicals in >> there. Our shepherd doesn't even tolerate preservatives in dog food, >> results in a yucky brown splotch on the carpet. > > I don't remember, but ISTR that was my brother's (a veterinarian) > point. He doesn't think much of it for humans, either. > I fully agree with your brother. >>>>>> But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally. >>>>>> You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local >>>>>> supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled. >>>>> Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it >>>>> away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the >>>>> buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes >>>>> the "logic". >>>> Yep, tort law is a huge problem in our country. But at least our food >>>> bank goes out and picks up stuff from stores where they can see that it >>>> won't sell by an expiration date. Plus fruits and vegetables from >>>> gardens of congregation members, and that's the best stuff you can get. >>> Wait until weenie lawyer gets done with your parishioners. >>> >> We'll make sure they'll go straight to purgatory :-)) > > Which "they"? ;-) > >> Our church isn't rich and ambulance chasers only go after deep pockets >> because what they are really interested in is their cut. > > They won't go after the church. That looks bad. They'll go after the > people. > That'll be as bad because people will make sure of a good press coverage. In a village like this a lawyer might as well sell his home after that. > >> One lawyer here >> just won a (fairly easy) malpractice case and pocketed roughly a cool >> million bucks. That's our _real_ health care problem but under this >> administration that will obviously not be fixed. > > That's only one of the problems. The main problem is the disconnect > between the insurance policy owner, the insurance company, the service > provider, and the patient. The free market can't work when the > feedback is so opaque and convoluted. What feedback? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. |