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From: krw on 19 Oct 2009 20:38 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:15:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >krw wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:00:35 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> krw wrote: >>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:41:57 +0100, Baron >>>>>> <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: >>> [...] >>> >>>>>>> I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks >>>>>>> for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day. >>>>>>> Very little waste at all nowadays. >>>>>> Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily. >>>>>> Packages of chicken or hamburgers ... >>>>> Packages? Euww. >>>> Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in >>>> patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they >>>> cook and hold together better than home made. >>>> >>> Hmm, our experiences are exactly opposite. Also, my wife has her secret >>> recipe of how to spice burgers. >> >> Good beef is likely the only thing I don't like "spiced". Hamburger >> isn't really that good, but I still don't like it adulterated. >> > >With steak I agree. But you probably haven't tasted a cajun style >Johnsonville brat yet. So you guys never marinate anything? I don't like Brats. OTOH, SWMBO does. Sure, we marinate not so good steaks. We generally use what amounts to a heavy Italian dressing. Cooked with red bell peppers and onions. > >>>>> <boast_mode> >>>>> I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of >>>>> any sort, it's all done from scratch. >>>>> </boast_mode> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ... get split up and frozen before >>>>>> cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in >>>>>> sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g. >>>>>> spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad, >>>>>>>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's >>>>>>>> meals are going to come from. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own. >>>>>> Two schools of thought on that one. >>>>>> >>>>> It's not good for the dogs. We never do that, and now we've got three. >>>> The other school of thought is that dogs (not cats) have eaten human >>>> scraps since they were domesticated (likely the reason they were >>>> domesticated was that they hung around humans, eating their waste). >>>> Personally, I'm with you. The "cereals" today are much better for >>>> dogs. >>>> >>> Until very recently, maybe 100 years ago, that would have been perfectly >>> ok because humans ate whatever nature provided without prior industrial >>> processing. But nowdays many foods carry a laundry list of chemicals in >>> there. Our shepherd doesn't even tolerate preservatives in dog food, >>> results in a yucky brown splotch on the carpet. >> >> I don't remember, but ISTR that was my brother's (a veterinarian) >> point. He doesn't think much of it for humans, either. >> > >I fully agree with your brother. OTOH, he's always worried more about animals than humans. He went into vet medicine, rather than the human sort, because it was easier dealing with the animals. All they can do is bite. He forgot that animals come with owners and they're too often worse with their animals than they are with their own children. He sold his practice and retired earlier this year. He's happy, though his wife isn't. ;-) >>>>>>> But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted nationally. >>>>>>> You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local >>>>>>> supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled. >>>>>> Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it >>>>>> away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the >>>>>> buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes >>>>>> the "logic". >>>>> Yep, tort law is a huge problem in our country. But at least our food >>>>> bank goes out and picks up stuff from stores where they can see that it >>>>> won't sell by an expiration date. Plus fruits and vegetables from >>>>> gardens of congregation members, and that's the best stuff you can get. >>>> Wait until weenie lawyer gets done with your parishioners. >>>> >>> We'll make sure they'll go straight to purgatory :-)) >> >> Which "they"? ;-) >> >>> Our church isn't rich and ambulance chasers only go after deep pockets >>> because what they are really interested in is their cut. >> >> They won't go after the church. That looks bad. They'll go after the >> people. >> > >That'll be as bad because people will make sure of a good press >coverage. In a village like this a lawyer might as well sell his home >after that. The real shysters live in the Big city and make Snidley Whiplash look lovable. >>> One lawyer here >>> just won a (fairly easy) malpractice case and pocketed roughly a cool >>> million bucks. That's our _real_ health care problem but under this >>> administration that will obviously not be fixed. >> >> That's only one of the problems. The main problem is the disconnect >> between the insurance policy owner, the insurance company, the service >> provider, and the patient. The free market can't work when the >> feedback is so opaque and convoluted. > > >What feedback? Perzactly.
From: Joerg on 19 Oct 2009 20:54 krw wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:15:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> krw wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:00:35 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> krw wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:11:12 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> krw wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:41:57 +0100, Baron >>>>>>> <baron.nospam(a)linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote: >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>>>>> I must admit that since the brats left the nest, the missus still cooks >>>>>>>> for four, so we end up eating half and freezing half for another day. >>>>>>>> Very little waste at all nowadays. >>>>>>> Except for things like roasts, my wife downsized fairly easily. >>>>>>> Packages of chicken or hamburgers ... >>>>>> Packages? Euww. >>>>> Yes, we don't grow our own chickens. ;-) Hamburgers we buy in >>>>> patties because the beef is better than we can buy otherwise and they >>>>> cook and hold together better than home made. >>>>> >>>> Hmm, our experiences are exactly opposite. Also, my wife has her secret >>>> recipe of how to spice burgers. >>> Good beef is likely the only thing I don't like "spiced". Hamburger >>> isn't really that good, but I still don't like it adulterated. >>> >> With steak I agree. But you probably haven't tasted a cajun style >> Johnsonville brat yet. So you guys never marinate anything? > > I don't like Brats. OTOH, SWMBO does. Sure, we marinate not so good > steaks. We generally use what amounts to a heavy Italian dressing. > Cooked with red bell peppers and onions. We use Chaka as the base and then spices. Whenever folks from the north or from Europe visit we have to tune it down, big time. Otherwise they'll begin to sweat profusely after a few bites. >>>>>> <boast_mode> >>>>>> I can proudly proclaim that we have never bought pre-pressed patties of >>>>>> any sort, it's all done from scratch. >>>>>> </boast_mode> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ... get split up and frozen before >>>>>>> cooking. Steaks are bought sized for two. Ground meat is bought in >>>>>>> sizes to cook, though a lot of those meals are either refrozen (e.g. >>>>>>> spaghetti sauce, chili) or reheated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have neighbors who throw every leftover away. It makes me sad, >>>>>>>>> considering that some families in Africa don't know where tomorrow's >>>>>>>>> meals are going to come from. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next door neighbour adds their food waste to feed the two dogs they own. >>>>>>> Two schools of thought on that one. >>>>>>> >>>>>> It's not good for the dogs. We never do that, and now we've got three. >>>>> The other school of thought is that dogs (not cats) have eaten human >>>>> scraps since they were domesticated (likely the reason they were >>>>> domesticated was that they hung around humans, eating their waste). >>>>> Personally, I'm with you. The "cereals" today are much better for >>>>> dogs. >>>>> >>>> Until very recently, maybe 100 years ago, that would have been perfectly >>>> ok because humans ate whatever nature provided without prior industrial >>>> processing. But nowdays many foods carry a laundry list of chemicals in >>>> there. Our shepherd doesn't even tolerate preservatives in dog food, >>>> results in a yucky brown splotch on the carpet. >>> I don't remember, but ISTR that was my brother's (a veterinarian) >>> point. He doesn't think much of it for humans, either. >>> >> I fully agree with your brother. > > OTOH, he's always worried more about animals than humans. He went > into vet medicine, rather than the human sort, because it was easier > dealing with the animals. All they can do is bite. He forgot that > animals come with owners and they're too often worse with their > animals than they are with their own children. He sold his practice > and retired earlier this year. He's happy, though his wife isn't. ;-) Real dog people are like that. We've got three and when one has an injury that looks only a little bad we are at the vet right away. When I bust my arm real bad I just go "Aw, it'll heal. Somehow." >>>>>>>> But I do agree that an enormous amount of food is wasted > nationally. >>>>>>>> You only have to look at the dumpsters at the back of the local >>>>>>>> supermarket ! Chock full of unsold foodstuff, just getting landfilled. >>>>>>> Blame your local weenies. They landfill it because if they gave it >>>>>>> away the liability would be enormous. It's not good enough for the >>>>>>> buying public so "the poor" shouldn't be force to eat it, or so goes >>>>>>> the "logic". >>>>>> Yep, tort law is a huge problem in our country. But at least our food >>>>>> bank goes out and picks up stuff from stores where they can see that it >>>>>> won't sell by an expiration date. Plus fruits and vegetables from >>>>>> gardens of congregation members, and that's the best stuff you can get. >>>>> Wait until weenie lawyer gets done with your parishioners. >>>>> >>>> We'll make sure they'll go straight to purgatory :-)) >>> Which "they"? ;-) >>> >>>> Our church isn't rich and ambulance chasers only go after deep pockets >>>> because what they are really interested in is their cut. >>> They won't go after the church. That looks bad. They'll go after the >>> people. >>> >> That'll be as bad because people will make sure of a good press >> coverage. In a village like this a lawyer might as well sell his home >> after that. > > The real shysters live in the Big city and make Snidley Whiplash look > lovable. > But we got tractors, guns and pitchforks :-) [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Larkin on 19 Oct 2009 21:06 On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:01:35 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>KFC is greasy and gross. Popeye's (which started in New Orleans) is >>the best fried chicken chain. Their chicken is Grade A and cooked >>right, and their sides - cajun fries, red beans and rice - are >>excellent. > >I'd rather drink from the Fry-O-Lator than eat KFC food. OTOH, >Chick-Fil-A isn't too bad. I rarely eat at fast food restaurants >anymore though. If I'm going to go out to eat I'll pay the couple of >extra bucks for the service, table cloth, and real food, too. We get Popeye's to go now and then... less overhead than going to a restaurant. We all work, so many nights nobody wants to cook. > >>But I can't rave over British cuisine. > >What's wrong with boiled potatoes, potatoes, and potatoes? Nothing, as long as it's with boiled chicken and boiled beef. > >>I did have some excellent >>Italian food in Oxford, in a place run by Italians, but that's about >>it. I'm not a fan of Indian food, so most meals in Britain were >>ordeals. > >Italian is my favorite genre. Can't stand most Chinese, though did >like it at a wedding reception we went to in Chinatown (NYC). The Cantonese cornstarch+MSG flung-dung stuff is usually grim. Szechwan and mandarin can be very tasty. There's lots of great Japanese food around. A recent combo that's appearing is Chinese and Japanese on the same menu, most of it pretty good so far. My favorite Mexican sushi joint just closed. We are devastated. All this is getting me hungry. John
From: YD on 19 Oct 2009 22:37 Late at night, by candle light, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> penned this immortal opus: >On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:46:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >wrote: > >>ChrisQ wrote: >> >>[...] >> >>> I guess this is where europe and the us differ. In europe, there is >>> universal health care free at the point of delivery, but there's no >>> reason why you can't go private if you wish and many do. Anything else >>> would be inconceivable, even though, yes, it has to be paid for from >>> taxes, just as the arts, science and other civilised value type stuff >>> gets funded from the state with common consent. >>> >> >>Don't generalize from UK systems to EU systems. For example, health care >>in Germany is not at all free no matter which method you pick. In the >>mid-90's I paid about 800 Deutschmarks per month over there for the two >>of us, just in premiums. Then there were co-pays. This was a non-private >>plan, the kind that's called Gesetzliche Krankenkasse. That is hardly >>free, is it? >> >>[...] > >Thanks so much for providing ample data for a troll-feeder filter. Better give your newsreader a whack, it seems to have got stuck in the same groove. - YD. -- Remove HAT if replying by mail.
From: Spehro Pefhany on 20 Oct 2009 01:13
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:06:16 -0700, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:01:35 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > > >>>KFC is greasy and gross. Popeye's (which started in New Orleans) is >>>the best fried chicken chain. Their chicken is Grade A and cooked >>>right, and their sides - cajun fries, red beans and rice - are >>>excellent. >> >>I'd rather drink from the Fry-O-Lator than eat KFC food. OTOH, >>Chick-Fil-A isn't too bad. I rarely eat at fast food restaurants >>anymore though. If I'm going to go out to eat I'll pay the couple of >>extra bucks for the service, table cloth, and real food, too. > >We get Popeye's to go now and then... less overhead than going to a >restaurant. We all work, so many nights nobody wants to cook. Are the Popeye's in your neck of woods Halal? |