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From: Joerg on 26 Oct 2009 15:56 ChrisQ wrote: > Joerg wrote: > >> >> On the news a few days ago: They had to close the "environmentally >> compliant" new wing of a school because of H1N1. The old (real) >> buildings exhibited little problems because you could open windows, >> "hallways" were outdoors, etc. The newfangled building was essentially >> a giant petri dish and so the kids there got sick. So much for progress. >> > > Yep and will get worse, as the cost of energy rises and more people turn > their houses into sealed air locks. We still don't have double glazing > as we originally never planned to stay in this house for long. Now, 2 > kids and much lifetime later, it's no longer economic to fit in terms of > payback when we sell. > Same here. Single pane, prohibitively expensive to exchange. But we heat with wood so it's not so bad. Especially in Europe they seal up the houses so tightly that mold develops. We never have mold here. >> >> Yep, I remember that one. Best accompanied by a pint of McEwan's >> Heavy. Kyle of Lochalsh would be too touristy for me now. When I was >> there the giant hotel didn't exist and there was no bridge to Skye. >> One day a group of tourists missed the ferry leaving Skye. A train was >> waiting, guy from the ferry ran up there, the engineer turned off the >> big Diesel, came out of the locomotive and had a smoke. Waited for the >> next ferry. Only in Scotland :-) >> > > This was in 1973, on a trip to visit an old 60's friend living in > Shetland. I took an old Alfa spider 1600, who's engine i'd rebuilt the > previous weekend, all the way from Oxford to Aberdeen to catch the St > Clair ferry. The car had to be winched into the ship's hold and was > surrounded by sheep on the trip back. Stopping off at various locations, > with trusty Nikkormat and Kodachrome II recording the trip. Camera and > slides I still have and both in good condition, but the croft house the > friend lived in burned down years ago and was eventually rebuilt. There > was no running water or sanitation at the house and no road to it, > though there was electricity. A narrow 1/2 mile path ran right round the > loch, where we caught sea trout for supper. Can't send a link, but plug > the following into google earth: > > 60.17.49.88 N > 01.31.20.52 W > > For a view of the area. > It wants some sort of download. Google maps has aerial views of Shetland but won't take coordinates. > Other than the far north highlands of Scotland, the most peacefull place > i've found on Earth :-)... > Even western Aberdeen was. First couple of nights I visited a pub. Third night I had to work, came home late, no pub. Fourth day back in the pub. "Hey, where were you yesterday? We thought you must have gotten sick or something". Never been in Aberdeen before, amazing ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: ChrisQ on 26 Oct 2009 17:38 Joerg wrote: >> > > Same here. Single pane, prohibitively expensive to exchange. But we heat > with wood so it's not so bad. Especially in Europe they seal up the > houses so tightly that mold develops. We never have mold here. > We get a bit of condensation on the windows in winter, but that's about it. It's more expensive to heat, but at least we have fresh air through the house as compensation. Double glazing would be good for the cold winter nights, but it's not worth the added expense most of the time. >> 60.17.49.88 N >> 01.31.20.52 W >> >> For a view of the area. >> > > It wants some sort of download. Google maps has aerial views of Shetland > but won't take coordinates. If you have an email, can send you the google earth .kmz location file as an attachment ?. > > Even western Aberdeen was. First couple of nights I visited a pub. Third > night I had to work, came home late, no pub. Fourth day back in the pub. > "Hey, where were you yesterday? We thought you must have gotten sick or > something". Never been in Aberdeen before, amazing ... > Different pace of life altogether. Strange how scotland has the worst health and life expectancy of the whole of the uk. Probably the drinking influence of the big cities slewing the statistics. The old friend of mine started a computer software co in Shetland which sells all round the world now. Project management software for the likes of oil and big infrastructure projects. With software or consultancy, you don't need to be in the city all the time... Regards, Chris
From: Martin Brown on 26 Oct 2009 19:00 Joerg wrote: > ChrisQ wrote: >> Joerg wrote: >>> >>> On the news a few days ago: They had to close the "environmentally >>> compliant" new wing of a school because of H1N1. The old (real) >>> buildings exhibited little problems because you could open windows, >>> "hallways" were outdoors, etc. The newfangled building was >>> essentially a giant petri dish and so the kids there got sick. So >>> much for progress. That is a weakness of a lot of the no external opening windows designs. Sick building syndrome as the formaldehyde and other junk from the furniture and carpets accumulates in a poorly ventilated space. There is no excuse for not having fresh air heated by outgoing stale air though. >> >> Yep and will get worse, as the cost of energy rises and more people >> turn their houses into sealed air locks. We still don't have double >> glazing as we originally never planned to stay in this house for long. >> Now, 2 kids and much lifetime later, it's no longer economic to fit in >> terms of payback when we sell. > > Same here. Single pane, prohibitively expensive to exchange. But we heat > with wood so it's not so bad. Especially in Europe they seal up the > houses so tightly that mold develops. We never have mold here. Now fully double glazed with a mixture of sealed units and internal secondary DG for the otherwise prohibitively expensive antique windows. There are DIY secondary glazing systems that are fairly inexpensive and relatively easy to fit and that do not require sealed unit technology. At its simplest are magnetically attached 3mm plexiglass sheets. They date back a long way. Some of the modern ones are very slick. I remember insulating my incredibly drafty college room with an ultra cheap variant that was little more than clear heat shrink wrap film and double sided tape. Fitting was done with a hairdrier... Regards, Martin Brown
From: Joerg on 26 Oct 2009 19:23 Martin Brown wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> ChrisQ wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> >>>> On the news a few days ago: They had to close the "environmentally >>>> compliant" new wing of a school because of H1N1. The old (real) >>>> buildings exhibited little problems because you could open windows, >>>> "hallways" were outdoors, etc. The newfangled building was >>>> essentially a giant petri dish and so the kids there got sick. So >>>> much for progress. > > That is a weakness of a lot of the no external opening windows designs. > Sick building syndrome as the formaldehyde and other junk from the > furniture and carpets accumulates in a poorly ventilated space. There is > no excuse for not having fresh air heated by outgoing stale air though. >>> >>> Yep and will get worse, as the cost of energy rises and more people >>> turn their houses into sealed air locks. We still don't have double >>> glazing as we originally never planned to stay in this house for >>> long. Now, 2 kids and much lifetime later, it's no longer economic to >>> fit in terms of payback when we sell. >> >> Same here. Single pane, prohibitively expensive to exchange. But we >> heat with wood so it's not so bad. Especially in Europe they seal up >> the houses so tightly that mold develops. We never have mold here. > > Now fully double glazed with a mixture of sealed units and internal > secondary DG for the otherwise prohibitively expensive antique windows. > > There are DIY secondary glazing systems that are fairly inexpensive and > relatively easy to fit and that do not require sealed unit technology. Not in the US. In the hardware stores there are a some el-cheapo plastic frame windows but only very few standard sizes. The rest is sold by some guy in a suit sitting behind a posh counter, at corresponding prices. > At its simplest are magnetically attached 3mm plexiglass sheets. > That would definitely not fly with my wife :-) > They date back a long way. Some of the modern ones are very slick. I > remember insulating my incredibly drafty college room with an ultra > cheap variant that was little more than clear heat shrink wrap film and > double sided tape. Fitting was done with a hairdrier... > Yuck ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 26 Oct 2009 19:25
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:23:48 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Martin Brown wrote: >> Joerg wrote: >>> ChrisQ wrote: >>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On the news a few days ago: They had to close the "environmentally >>>>> compliant" new wing of a school because of H1N1. The old (real) >>>>> buildings exhibited little problems because you could open windows, >>>>> "hallways" were outdoors, etc. The newfangled building was >>>>> essentially a giant petri dish and so the kids there got sick. So >>>>> much for progress. >> >> That is a weakness of a lot of the no external opening windows designs. >> Sick building syndrome as the formaldehyde and other junk from the >> furniture and carpets accumulates in a poorly ventilated space. There is >> no excuse for not having fresh air heated by outgoing stale air though. >>>> >>>> Yep and will get worse, as the cost of energy rises and more people >>>> turn their houses into sealed air locks. We still don't have double >>>> glazing as we originally never planned to stay in this house for >>>> long. Now, 2 kids and much lifetime later, it's no longer economic to >>>> fit in terms of payback when we sell. >>> >>> Same here. Single pane, prohibitively expensive to exchange. But we >>> heat with wood so it's not so bad. Especially in Europe they seal up >>> the houses so tightly that mold develops. We never have mold here. >> >> Now fully double glazed with a mixture of sealed units and internal >> secondary DG for the otherwise prohibitively expensive antique windows. >> >> There are DIY secondary glazing systems that are fairly inexpensive and >> relatively easy to fit and that do not require sealed unit technology. > > >Not in the US. In the hardware stores there are a some el-cheapo plastic >frame windows but only very few standard sizes. The rest is sold by some >guy in a suit sitting behind a posh counter, at corresponding prices. > > >> At its simplest are magnetically attached 3mm plexiglass sheets. >> > >That would definitely not fly with my wife :-) > > >> They date back a long way. Some of the modern ones are very slick. I >> remember insulating my incredibly drafty college room with an ultra >> cheap variant that was little more than clear heat shrink wrap film and >> double sided tape. Fitting was done with a hairdrier... >> > >Yuck ... Sealed double-pane is pretty standard here in AZ. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | With Half My Brain Tied Behind My Back Still More Clever Than Mr.Prissy Pants |