From: JF Mezei on
David Empson wrote:

> In any case, some keyboards may move the 'M' key so your suggested
> position may be wrong anyway.


OK then:

Shift , command and then the key that is 20.7cm from the left edge and
8.2 cm from the top of the keyboard :-)

(Assuming Apple doesn't change keyboard layouts, and assuming all Apple
keyboards )small and full) have the same dimensions for the main
keyboard section :-)

I can fully understand now why Apple didn't openly document this stuff,
it would be far too complex to documenht the keystrokes due to various
keyboards :-)


BTW, how does one go about finding such nuggest of information on the
Apple site ? (such as the shift-command-period to list hidden files and
shift command g to a "goto folder" menu in a file selection dialogue ?)
From: Wes Groleau on
Barry Margolin wrote:
> Just because you use Terminal for running commands doesn't mean you use
> it to edit files. It's not actually a problem for me, I use Emacs for
> text editing. But there are probably people who use TextEdit, BBedit,
> etc.

I mostly use TextEdit, invoked by open -e .profile

open <filename> uses the default application (from Finder's viewpoint)

And another switch lets you name the application.

I haven't installed TextWrangler on this disk, but if I remember right,
it has a directory view that allows double-click on a filename to edit,
which also shows dot-files.

--
Wes Groleau

Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly,
lest he be wise according to his own conceit.
-- Solomon
Are you saying there's no good way to answer a fool?
-- Groleau
From: Wes Groleau on
JF Mezei wrote:
> Wes Groleau wrote:
>> If you can't see .profile, then you're not using Terminal.
>
> Do you know about Xterm ? Terminal is not the only means to get to the

Yes. I almost went back and changed it to "command line"

> command line. And Terminal can't pop your server's Terminal window to
> your your workstation. It fakes it by creating a local Terminal and then
> SSH/telnet/whatever into the remote system.

At the time, I had missed the part about remote. But still, ...

> For instance, on VMS, I can type "edit filename" and the TPU Xwindow
> editor pops up on my Mac as an independant window. And the DECTerm

If you are in a DCL shell, the Mac Finder can't be stopping you from
seeing dot-files. I was specifically responding to a complaint that
it's hard to edit a .profile when the GUI won't show it to you.
I guess I could have worded it,
"Why do you need to edit .profile if you're using the GUI?"

> (VMS's better equivalent to Xterm) gets back to command line so I can
> continue to use that command line window.
>
> at the command line ls -a gets you the hidden . files. However, in the
> Mac GUI, the file selection hides far more than just the .files

What files does the Mac GUI hide that a Mac GUI user needs to edit?

--
Wes Groleau

After the christening of his baby brother in church, Jason sobbed
all the way home in the back seat of the car. His father asked him
three times what was wrong. Finally, the boy replied, "That preacher
said he wanted us brought up in a Christian home, and I wanted to
stay with you guys."
From: Warren Oates on
In article <00cc0fb4$0$23492$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote:

> BTW, how does one go about finding such nuggest of information on the
> Apple site ? (such as the shift-command-period to list hidden files and
> shift command g to a "goto folder" menu in a file selection dialogue ?)

there's some suff in Preferences/Keyboard & Mouse; you can also try Help
and type in "shortcuts".
--
Very old woody beets will never cook tender.
-- Fannie Farmer
From: Paul Sture on
In article <00cc0fb4$0$23492$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote:

> BTW, how does one go about finding such nuggest of information on the
> Apple site ? (such as the shift-command-period to list hidden files and
> shift command g to a "goto folder" menu in a file selection dialogue ?)

In Leopard and previous versions, Shift Command G is shown in the Finder
Go menu. Has that been dropped in Snow Leopard?

--
Paul Sture