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From: Tom Stiller on 31 Jan 2010 16:02 In article <michelle-5F7574.12411231012010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > In article <tom_stiller-A1FB61.13495631012010(a)news.individual.net>, > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "In the year of our Lord 1432, there arose a grievous quarrel among > > > > > > the brethren over the number of teeth in the mouth of a horse. For > > > > > > 13 days the disputation raged without ceasing...". > > > > > > > > > > Does that mean that horse meat tastes like bacon? > > > > > > > > It would be interesting how you got there from a discussion about the > > > > iPad user experience without actually handling it and the parable of > > > > arguing about the number of teeth in a horse's mouth without actually > > > > counting them. > > > > > > That parable is usually attributed to Roger Bacon or Francis Bacon. > > So? Taking a lesson from the politicians and avoiding the issue? > > I didn't avoid the issue; I addressed it head on in an earlier message. > Your quote of the beginning of that parable was actually supporting what I > had written two messages upstream of it. Somehow none of that comes across to me, but whatever... -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
From: Tom Stiller on 31 Jan 2010 20:34 In article <michelle-1D0D86.14441031012010(a)nothing.attdns.com>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > In article <tom_stiller-704FFD.16022631012010(a)news.individual.net>, > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "In the year of our Lord 1432, there arose a grievous > > > > > > > > quarrel among the brethren over the number of teeth in the > > > > > > > > mouth of a horse. For 13 days the disputation raged without > > > > > > > > ceasing...". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that mean that horse meat tastes like bacon? > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be interesting how you got there from a discussion > > > > > > about the iPad user experience without actually handling it and > > > > > > the parable of arguing about the number of teeth in a horse's > > > > > > mouth without actually counting them. > > > > > > > > > > That parable is usually attributed to Roger Bacon or Francis > > > > > Bacon. > > > > So? Taking a lesson from the politicians and avoiding the issue? > > > > > > I didn't avoid the issue; I addressed it head on in an earlier > > > message. Your quote of the beginning of that parable was actually > > > supporting what I had written two messages upstream of it. > > > > Somehow none of that comes across to me, but whatever... > > Alan Brown wrote this: > > > I've had this argument with my son. He believes that your fingers are > > so close to the screen (above the keyboard) that gestures will be quite > > easy. To be seen. > > To which I replied this: > > This is all theoretical; except for a few hundred journalists, for a > few minutes each, right after the presentation, no one outside of > Apple has actually used it. > > But so many people know what the experience will be like, even though > they haven't had that experience. > > JF Mezei responded to that with this: > > > This is called intelligence. The ability to visualise an experience > > before it happens based on the information of what that experience might > > be like. > > And you replied with the parable. > > Now does it come across? I still don't see the connection to "Does that mean that horse meat tastes like bacon?" except for the real stretch from the content of the parable to the [supposed] author. -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
From: JF Mezei on 31 Jan 2010 23:03 Michael Siemon wrote: > Well, actually it _could_ be -- in the sense that the iPad interface > might make it easier to do the things it does. The problem is that > iWork (and for me, especially Numbers) just _doesn't_ do what I need. Lets be blunt here. Ipad, like ipod touch is an adult gadget, an adult toy, a portable game player that can also do some serious stuff. If you start with this premise, the Ipad is an incredible machine that can do a lot for a mobile device/toy. If you start with the premise that the IpAd is a computer, then yeah, you can point to many weaknesses. It has to do with expectations. And just like those who have iphones/ipodtouch get addicted to it and find great ways to use it on top of its core role of games/music player, the same will happen to the IpAd and there will be even more "serious" uses for it. But a computer, it is not.
From: Michael Siemon on 31 Jan 2010 23:20 In article <000e7ddc$0$2284$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > Michael Siemon wrote: > > > Well, actually it _could_ be -- in the sense that the iPad interface > > might make it easier to do the things it does. The problem is that > > iWork (and for me, especially Numbers) just _doesn't_ do what I need. > > Lets be blunt here. Ipad, like ipod touch is an adult gadget, an adult > toy, a portable game player that can also do some serious stuff. > > If you start with this premise, the Ipad is an incredible machine that > can do a lot for a mobile device/toy. > > If you start with the premise that the IpAd is a computer, then yeah, > you can point to many weaknesses. > > It has to do with expectations. > > And just like those who have iphones/ipodtouch get addicted to it and > find great ways to use it on top of its core role of games/music player, > the same will happen to the IpAd and there will be even more "serious" > uses for it. > > But a computer, it is not. Well, as I said in another context, it _is_ a computer -- just not a general purpose one. Yes, some of the limitations are such that I would find constrictive. But in fact, I think it is a very well thought out gadget, and one I am moderately likely to get in the rev. 2 version. Most of what I dislike in my iPhone (tiny and almost useless "keyboard", minuscule display of what I want to look at) is in fact addressed quite well in the iPad. I got the iPhone _because_ as cell-phone it is a hell of a lot better than anything I saw before. But as to its use as a web portal, well, my reaction is "meh!". (There are some interesting exceptions to my generally negative evaluation here. I have a rather good metronome app, and a tuning app, that substitute for moderately expensive gadgets that I really _don't_ want to be carrying around. I like the iPhone being "many things to many people" -- even if it cannot be "all things to all people." The metronome and tuning apps would definitely NOT be "better" on the iPad; they are ideal for the small form factor. But a lot of stuff I'd be interested in would work exceptionally well on the iPad.
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per_R=F8nne?= on 1 Feb 2010 00:49
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > And just like those who have iphones/ipodtouch get addicted to it and > find great ways to use it on top of its core role of games/music player, > the same will happen to the IpAd and there will be even more "serious" > uses for it. Personally, I mainly use my iPhone as a PDA with important applications like Pocket Informant [organizer wih calendar, tasks - and sync to Mac or Win], dictionaries like Shorter Oxford Dictionary and various bilingual dictionaries and a graph calculator. And a lot of useful petty applications that will show me when the next train will leave the station - and what movies I can watch nearby cinemas. Etc, etc. And then of course I use it as a cellphone too ... and tether it to my MacBook when in need such that it can connect to the internet where no WiFi or cable is available. Well, I don't live in AT&T Land:-). -- Per Erik R�nne http://www.RQNNE.dk Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe |