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From: R H Draney on 25 Feb 2010 12:04 BrE filted: > >On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:04:21 GMT, the Omrud ><usenet.omrud(a)gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote: > >>What happens when the Messiah does arrive? Is there some sort of >>central switch which can be pushed to update all the rabbis? > >They will all be gathered together in the Promised Land. Jesus of >Nazareth will arrive and will address them: "Right then, let just try >again. Pay careful attention...". Oh great...the Prince of Peace brought PowerPoint slides....r -- "Oy! A cat made of lead cannot fly." - Mark Brader declaims a basic scientific principle
From: Evan Kirshenbaum on 25 Feb 2010 12:20 "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim(a)verizon.net> writes: > On Feb 25, 10:20�am, Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenb...(a)hpl.hp.com> wrote: >> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> writes: >> > On Feb 24, 5:04 pm, Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenb...(a)hpl.hp.com> wrote: > >> �I would like to know what definition you would use for determining >> whether a group (however heretical) was, in fact, a (heretical) >> Christian group. > > "Heretical" _means_ they're not part of the fold. You can hope and > pray that they renounce their heresy, but until they do, they're > out. Well, that's the argument I've heard that Catholics (or Protestants or ....) aren't Christians, but I wouldn't have thought it would be taken seriously much anymore. I had thought, though, that in order to be heretical you actually had to *be* Christian (or at least the doctrine had to be). But wrong. Or are Jews and Hindus considered "heretics", too? >> > The wannabes don't get to define who belongs to the club. The >> > gatekeepers do. >> >> If it's an appeal to authority, then I presume your original question >> was begged. �If the "gatekeepers" assert that the Nicene Creed is >> part of being Christian, then no Christian groups fail to use it by >> definition. � > > That would seem to be the case. (And there's a difference between > regularly reciting a creed, and accepting it as part of doctrine. > You'd be hard pressed to find a copy of the Athanasian Creed -- at > least, before internet days -- yet it sets forth the basics of, at > least, Western Christianity.) Okay. If your original question was begged I certainly can't argue with it. >> > The various canons of Scripture (which differ slightly around the >> > edges) accepted by the various brands of Christianity were >> > finalized 1700 or more years ago. No option exists within >> > Christianity for adding to that canon. Especially forgeries >> > claimed to be found on golden plates and translated by >> > angels. Into a pastiche of centuries-old diction. >> >> Or, presumably, if an archaeological site uncovered a new letter, >> fully compatible with the current canon, determined by Christian >> authorities to have been written by St. Paul. �Any church which >> added it to their canon would becom non-Christian by your argument. > > Many similar documents have been discovered in recent decades, and no > Christian church has even _considered_ adding them to the canon. Well, at least no question-begging Christian church. But I'm curious which documents you have in mind with your "similar". I wasn't aware of any accepted by the church as having been written by an author of a canonical text (which was, after all, the point of my statement). That documents rejected from the canon when it was constructed (or representing schools considered heretical at the time) aren't added to the canon upon being discovered isn't particularly surprising. -- Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Yesterday I washed a single sock. 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |When I opened the door, the machine Palo Alto, CA 94304 |was empty. kirshenbaum(a)hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/
From: Brian M. Scott on 25 Feb 2010 12:32 On 25 Feb 2010 09:04:51 -0800, R H Draney <dadoctah(a)spamcop.net> wrote in <news:hm6ajj0170n(a)drn.newsguy.com> in sci.math,sci.lang,alt.usage.english: > BrE filted: >>On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:04:21 GMT, the Omrud >><usenet.omrud(a)gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote: >>>What happens when the Messiah does arrive? Is there some sort of >>>central switch which can be pushed to update all the rabbis? >>They will all be gathered together in the Promised Land. Jesus of >>Nazareth will arrive and will address them: "Right then, let just try >>again. Pay careful attention...". > Oh great...the Prince of Peace brought PowerPoint slides....r Pessimist. Perhaps he's going to pull a rabbi out of a hat. Brian
From: Evan Kirshenbaum on 25 Feb 2010 12:38 R H Draney <dadoctah(a)spamcop.net> writes: > BrE filted: >> >>On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:04:21 GMT, the Omrud >><usenet.omrud(a)gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote: >> >>>What happens when the Messiah does arrive? Is there some sort of >>>central switch which can be pushed to update all the rabbis? >> >>They will all be gathered together in the Promised Land. Jesus of >>Nazareth will arrive and will address them: "Right then, let just >>try again. Pay careful attention...". > > Oh great...the Prince of Peace brought PowerPoint slides....r And the Church will say "Damn! We'd add them to the canon, but we finalized it 1,700 years ago." -- Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Never ascribe to malice that which 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |can adequately be explained by Palo Alto, CA 94304 |stupidity. kirshenbaum(a)hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/
From: James Silverton on 25 Feb 2010 13:17
Evan wrote on Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:38:26 -0800: >> BrE filted: >>> >>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:04:21 GMT, the Omrud >>> <usenet.omrud(a)gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> What happens when the Messiah does arrive? Is there some >>>> sort of central switch which can be pushed to update all >>>> the rabbis? >>> >>> They will all be gathered together in the Promised Land. >>> Jesus of Nazareth will arrive and will address them: "Right >>> then, let just try again. Pay careful attention...". >> >> Oh great...the Prince of Peace brought PowerPoint slides....r > And the Church will say "Damn! We'd add them to the canon, > but we finalized it 1,700 years ago." It has long been maintained that announcements of radical changes from the Vatican begin: "As the Church has always maintained". (I am a not very loyal Catholic and a member of the Voice of the Faithful.) -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |