Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8 - yeah right....
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From: Geoff Schaller on 28 Sep 2006 02:53 <g> Cool. But regardless, your collation still takes effort and it was as interesting as it was instructive. Geoff "Paul D B" <polleke(a)NOMORESPAMhnt.be> wrote in message news:451b6a9b$0$5538$ba620e4c(a)news.skynet.be: > Geoff Schaller wrote: > > > Interesting bit of research. Kind of confirms what many of us have > > felt was happening. And you are right, GrafX and others seem to want > > to shoot the messengers rather than listen and take things on board... > > > > Geoff > > > research... not really > it takes only 5 minutes here: > http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ReportCard.aspx > > -- > Paul
From: Paul D B on 28 Sep 2006 04:04 "D.J.W. van Kooten" <public(a)ic2remove.this.com> schreef in bericht news:<3gumh2likj8jm64cm0937murm5etmkoarp(a)4ax.com>... > On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:24:26 +0200, "Paul D B" > <polleke(a)NOMORESPAMhnt.be> wrote: > > Hello Paul, > > >research... not really > >it takes only 5 minutes here: > >http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/ReportCard.aspx > > Very interesting indeed. But it doesn't work properly (as I can expect > from a Microsoft site). Cheap and obvious trick, Dickie. Somebody comes along with figures and then you say "they are wrong". But I think you were still asleep when you looked at the reports. > Take a look at the largest threads for the > last year. Number one thread is To Vulcan or not to Vulcan..(that's > mine by the way, what an honour) with 258 posts according to this > site. It's actually 276 postings. You are mixing up with another thread, the nr one for 2006 is for "Vulcan.net and Vo 2.8" "To Vulcan or not to Vulcan" is a thread from 2005, and you will find it there in the 2005 stats > > And where's Vulcan .Net and Vo 2.8 (260 postings) of this week? top of the report, with 258 postings. > Where's Vulcan macro question of 23-4 with 114 messages? To name a few > which are wrong or even aren't included at all! Third place in the 2006 report, with 138 messages. > > I don't have the impression that we have less messages than we used to > have (although I am sure there are less VO users than a year ago). Wrong impression <g>. We have about 3 times less messages than a couple of years ago. > > I bet this site gives higher figures for MS languages so everybody > says 'there's tons of NG messages for MS languages' <g>. Nooh that's just your MS paranoia. Help! Is there a doctor in the room? -- Paul
From: Will Chapman on 28 Sep 2006 05:33 Paul D B wrote: > Anyway, whatever their agenda is, I think it has very litlle influence > on VO's future. I am more concerned about the decline of this NG (which > represents the VO community) and I don't think we can blame Geoff, > Graham e.a. for that. As I have expressed in another message, there are > (in my opinion, that is) other reasons for that. > In part I agree. I think it is clear that the main decline is due to people moving from VO to other development systems (initially Delphi and, more recently, C#). In this connection it is interesting to use the Netscan site to compare the decline of CLC-VO with CLC itself. In 2000 CLC had 11,622 posts and 2003 posters whilst CLC-VO had 23572 posts and 1241 users. By 2002 CLC had dropped to 9785 posts and had 1466 posters whilst CLC-VO had peaked at 30564 posts from 1316 posters. Comparing this with the first 9 months of 2006 CLC posts were at 2037 with 375 posters and CLC-VO 7914 posts and 577 posters. This means more when one looks at the percentage drop between 2002 and 2006: CLC 79% drop in posts and 74% in posters CLC-VO 74% drop in posts and 56% in posters This suggests to me natural attrition due to a combination of people switching to other products and, importantly, becoming more proficient and needing less technical support (Note difference in drop in number of posters between the two ngs). Having said that, I must also say that I am aware of several people who were former regulars (including myself) that now visit the ng less simply because there is so much bitching going on and, I think it is fair to say, that Geoff and Graham are invariably at the centre of such posts and much of that input is ultimately nothing more than constant criticisms of Grafx. Obviously once a criticism has been made it is natural for those who don't have the same opinion are going to be tempted to leap in, particularly when that criticism is seen to be inaccurate of misleading. Personally, I am convinced that if long term posters/readers to this ng are backing off, then newcomers are also going to be affected. More importantly, newcomers are going to see this ng not as the place for support that it has always been but more as a place of bitching and dissention; clearly not a place that encourages people to use VO/Vulcan. And, finally, Geoff has often claimed that his only interest is furthering VO; personally I can't reconcile that with knocking the developers of the product. Sure, having a difference in opinion is fine but as anyone one can read, it is clearly more than that. As for Graham, of course he has every right to be here, but frankly for someone that thinks everything about VO/Vulcan/Grafx is negative I really don't understand why he posts here. If either of them had something new to complain about I might take notice but it is always the same old theme and totally booring. We all know what your complaints are chaps; please give it a rest. Or if you like, in the tradition of all good ngs, put all of your complaints in a FAQ, and then you can just put in a link to each post where you feel a need to complain and save yourselves a lot of typing and us a lot of reading. Cheers... Will Chapman
From: Carlos Vazquez on 28 Sep 2006 09:08 Will, agree 100% -- Carlos Vazquez cva(a)NOSPAMtelefonica.net
From: Stavros Spanos - www.orbit.gr on 28 Sep 2006 12:45
> > An interesting point....did you get the stats from Netscan to support > that? > > It would of course make some sense because VOPS users are less likely > to post technical questions to the ng. However, it seems to me that the > well known posters that are known to be VOPS members still have a > regular presence on the ng. Mind you, the content of their posts has > probably been effected by the regular need to correct misinformation > or defend Grafx/Vulcan. Also do not underestimate the fact that old frequent users, have less questions to ask (means they are more happy users) or they know how to trace an answer from the past postings... Stavros |