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From: Ralph on 23 Jul 2010 16:16 On 7/23/2010 3:33 PM, Jason wrote: >> Either you're blatantly lying, or this is yet another example of the >> depth and breadth of your ignorance. Evolutionists have ideas about >> the subject based on available evidence (remember I mentioned that the >> theory of evolution has evolved since Darwin?), but are quite willing >> to drop them when new evidence falsifying those ideas becomes >> available. >> >> That's the difference between science and religion. >> >> Religionists will NEVER drop their beliefs, despite the lack of >> evidence for them, or the availability of evidence against them. It's >> why you like to stifle and/or kill opponents of your ideas. >> >>> not intelligent enough to realize that God created life on this planet. >> >> What your Bible says is that god "breathed" life into a pile of dust >> shaped like a man, which then became living. >> >> Are you seriously suggesting that is an accurate description of an >> actual event? >> >> Do you seriously believe that the transfer of air carries something >> that imbues life into inanimate matter? >> >> What is the nature of that "something"? >> >> Also, "belief" in something without any evidence to substantiate it >> is *not* a function of intelligence. You're the one that keeps saying >> you "don't know" what various things brought up in this thread mean, >> yet you claim "special knowledge" and/or "wisdom" based on your >> *belief* that your Bible is correct. >> >> The word you wanted is "faith". >> >>> They think they are wise but they became fools. Thank goodness, that >>> Darwin was intelligent enough to realize that God created life on this >>> planet. Darwin was not a fool. >> >> Again that's *your* interpretation of something that doesn't need >> interpreting. Besides, your interpretation is completely *against* >> what the Bible says; it leaves *no room* for evolution because >> according to it, every living thing produces offspring "like from >> like". >> >> Your interpretation is heresy. >> >> >> Mark L. Fergerson > > The creation of mankind was a miracle. How God went about creating life on > this earth is not mentioned in any great detail in the Bible. Wonder why? I would have loved to hear how he made material things follow his orders. Little quarks and electrons just bopping around making stars and galaxies and all kinds of wonders. How did he do that, Jason? > God knows > 1000% more about DNA, etc than any scientist living today. Why not 10^10,000 more. Why stop at a thousand? > God used his > knowledge of science and biology to create life on this planet. Where did he get his degree? > Darwin > believed that God breathed life into Adam and perhaps also breathed life > into Eve. He believed that God created an endless number of plants and > animals. That's a god damn lie and you know it! > After the creation of mankind, plants and animals is when > evolution kicked in. Good, you acknowledge evolution occurred. > I believe the reason Darwin did not discuss theories > related to abiogenesis in his book is because he believed God created > mankind and an endless number of beautiful and wonderful plants and > animals. The plants and animals on the earth today have as ancestors the > plants and animals that God created. This is a statement from Darwin's > famous book: What you believe and what actually occurred are two different things and you are clueless about both of them. > "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having > been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst > this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, > from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful > have been and are being, evolved." > � Charles Darwin Damn Jason, I don't see where he mentions "Gawd". Perhaps you cam point this out to me.
From: Ben Kaufman on 23 Jul 2010 16:44 On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:33:02 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote: >The creation of mankind was a miracle. How God went about creating life on >this earth is not mentioned in any great detail in the Bible. <SNIP> It's not mentioned in any great detail because science fiction writing was not to the level it is today. The same reason why "Lost in space" never had concepts like "Warp drive" or Vulcans.
From: Jason on 23 Jul 2010 17:09 > > Are you saying that Darwin was not interested in selling copies of his > > books in America? In the 1800 and early 1900's--a majority of people in > > Europe were Christians. Darwin was a Christian during the early years of > > his life. > > > > > > > > Jason, it doesn't make any difference what Darwin's religion was. He > still supported his theory. If Darwin was a Christian why did Christians > make up so many lies about his conversion on his death bed. Darwin was a Christian during the early years of his life. He did NOT discuss theories of abiogenesis in any of his books. Have you wondered about that? I have and the answer is simple. He believed that God created mankind and a countless number of beautiful and wonderful plants and animals. After mankind, plants and animals were created is when evolution kicked in. Charles Darwin stated: "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been and are being, evolved." Compare his statement to Genesis 2:7 and you will know what Darwin meant when he stated "breathed into a few forms [Adam and Eve] or into one [Adam]. The Bible does NOT say that God breathed life into Eve but Darwin believed that it may have happened that way. It could have happened that way--it makes sense.
From: Jason on 23 Jul 2010 17:17 In article <-cSdnZrItZ0RZdTRnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, Ralph <mmman_90(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 7/23/2010 3:33 PM, Jason wrote: > >> Either you're blatantly lying, or this is yet another example of the > >> depth and breadth of your ignorance. Evolutionists have ideas about > >> the subject based on available evidence (remember I mentioned that the > >> theory of evolution has evolved since Darwin?), but are quite willing > >> to drop them when new evidence falsifying those ideas becomes > >> available. > >> > >> That's the difference between science and religion. > >> > >> Religionists will NEVER drop their beliefs, despite the lack of > >> evidence for them, or the availability of evidence against them. It's > >> why you like to stifle and/or kill opponents of your ideas. > >> > >>> not intelligent enough to realize that God created life on this planet. > >> > >> What your Bible says is that god "breathed" life into a pile of dust > >> shaped like a man, which then became living. > >> > >> Are you seriously suggesting that is an accurate description of an > >> actual event? > >> > >> Do you seriously believe that the transfer of air carries something > >> that imbues life into inanimate matter? > >> > >> What is the nature of that "something"? > >> > >> Also, "belief" in something without any evidence to substantiate it > >> is *not* a function of intelligence. You're the one that keeps saying > >> you "don't know" what various things brought up in this thread mean, > >> yet you claim "special knowledge" and/or "wisdom" based on your > >> *belief* that your Bible is correct. > >> > >> The word you wanted is "faith". > >> > >>> They think they are wise but they became fools. Thank goodness, that > >>> Darwin was intelligent enough to realize that God created life on this > >>> planet. Darwin was not a fool. > >> > >> Again that's *your* interpretation of something that doesn't need > >> interpreting. Besides, your interpretation is completely *against* > >> what the Bible says; it leaves *no room* for evolution because > >> according to it, every living thing produces offspring "like from > >> like". > >> > >> Your interpretation is heresy. > >> > >> > >> Mark L. Fergerson > > > > The creation of mankind was a miracle. How God went about creating life on > > this earth is not mentioned in any great detail in the Bible. > > > Wonder why? I would have loved to hear how he made material things > follow his orders. Little quarks and electrons just bopping around > making stars and galaxies and all kinds of wonders. How did he do that, > Jason? > > > > > God knows > > 1000% more about DNA, etc than any scientist living today. > > > Why not 10^10,000 more. Why stop at a thousand? > > > > > God used his > > knowledge of science and biology to create life on this planet. > > > Where did he get his degree? > > > > > Darwin > > believed that God breathed life into Adam and perhaps also breathed life > > into Eve. He believed that God created an endless number of plants and > > animals. > > > > That's a god damn lie and you know it! > > > > After the creation of mankind, plants and animals is when > > evolution kicked in. > > > Good, you acknowledge evolution occurred. > > > > I believe the reason Darwin did not discuss theories > > related to abiogenesis in his book is because he believed God created > > mankind and an endless number of beautiful and wonderful plants and > > animals. The plants and animals on the earth today have as ancestors the > > plants and animals that God created. This is a statement from Darwin's > > famous book: > > > What you believe and what actually occurred are two different things and > you are clueless about both of them. > > > > > "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having > > been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst > > this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, > > from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful > > have been and are being, evolved." > > � Charles Darwin > > > Damn Jason, I don't see where he mentions "Gawd". Perhaps you cam point > this out to me. Compare the above statement to Genesis 2:7 and the above statement by Darwin makes perfect sense. Keep in mind that Darwin was a Christian during the younger days of his life and knew all about the Bible--esp. the first several chapters of Genesis. Who else but God can breath life into people. If Darwin was NOT discussing God breathing life into Adam and perhaps also into Eve--what was he discussing?
From: Free Lunch on 23 Jul 2010 18:15
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:07:41 -0700, Jason(a)nospam.com (Jason) wrote in alt.talk.creationism: .... >I agree that God created mankind and that he created life on this earth. >In that respect, I am in agreement with Darwin. I do believe that many of >the aspects of evolution (that can be proved) kicked in after the fall of >mankind. The evidence is overwhelming that evolution preceded mankind. Your belief is contrary to reality. >I have no problem with the aspects of evolution that can be >proved. My main disagreement is in regard to abiogenesis since I do NOT >believe that mankind evolved from a single celled life form. Your belief is of no interest to me as long as you refuse to use any evidence to form your beliefs. > I don't >believe that Darwin believed that mankind evolved from a single celled >life form. He believed that a creator God breathed life into a few forms >or into one--probably Adam and perhaps also Eve. The bible does not say >that God breathed life into Eve but Darwin believed that it could have >happened that way. It's possible that it did happen that way. There's no evidence that any god did anything. There's no reason to say that something that is completely unsupported by any evidence is "possible". |